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Cute picture. But even after 50 years of this propaganda, I'm yet to see a woman driving tractors in Poland (yes, I've seen many men driving them). Sometimes I

by mich41 14y ago

Cute picture. But even after 50 years of this propaganda, I'm yet to see a woman driving tractors in Poland (yes, I've seen many men driving them). Sometimes I don't know if feminists are really serious or just trollin'...

klibertp 14y ago
Cute, right? I have the same impression, but this may be because I didn't live then and I don't associate it with all the other things that happened then instinctively. You're right of course in that it's hard to see a woman on a tractor, but what I'm saying is that 50 years of propaganda can't pass without any consequences, even if it was widely recognized as a propaganda and it was actively opposed by many. I think that these efforts actually did something for women, even if only a little. They - the communists - even did something for racial equality: they offered stipends for people from African countries (of course those aligned with communists only) and it was quite normal (I'm being told, please don't blame if that's wrong!) to see a man or a woman with different skin color in the university. Anyway, while communists did many bad things, they at least sometimes tried to do something good. Someone better educated than me should say how those efforts fared - I suppose they were not that successful, because as you said, it's really hard to find a woman on a tractor :) - but it's worth noting, I think, that they were made.
- mich41 14y ago
  > Cute, right? I have the same impression, but this may be because I didn't live then and I don't associate it with all the other things that happened then instinctively. Well, this was slightly sarcastic. I wouldn't hang this picture on my wall, but it was clearly intended to look good like all the other pictures showing people happily running around with hammers or sickles and building better socialist future :) As for whether encouraging women to pick up technical or scientific jobs (when it works) does any good, I'm not sure. I'm under impression that lower number of women in IT and CS is mostly caused by the female part of "I've no idea what I'm doing, I kinda landed here by accident" crowd going somewhere else. Those who are serious get through regardless of sex and the rest, well, isn't serious.
netrus 14y ago
I am not an expert on tractor drivers' genders, but when I meet a female engineer over 30 in Western Germany, there is a chance > 80% her roots are in Eastern Germany.
paganel 14y ago
> Cute picture. But even after 50 years of this propaganda, I'm yet to see a woman driving tractors in Poland (yes, I've seen many men driving them). Not a tractor, but my aunt was operating an industrial crane in the '80s in communist Romania.

by mich41 14y ago

klibertp 14y ago

Cute, right? I have the same impression, but this may be because I didn't live then and I don't associate it with all the other things that happened then instinctively. You're right of course in that it's hard to see a woman on a tractor, but what I'm saying is that 50 years of propaganda can't pass without any consequences, even if it was widely recognized as a propaganda and it was actively opposed by many. I think that these efforts actually did something for women, even if only a little. They - the communists - even did something for racial equality: they offered stipends for people from African countries (of course those aligned with communists only) and it was quite normal (I'm being told, please don't blame if that's wrong!) to see a man or a woman with different skin color in the university. Anyway, while communists did many bad things, they at least sometimes tried to do something good. Someone better educated than me should say how those efforts fared - I suppose they were not that successful, because as you said, it's really hard to find a woman on a tractor :) - but it's worth noting, I think, that they were made.

mich41 14y ago
> Cute, right? I have the same impression, but this may be because I didn't live then and I don't associate it with all the other things that happened then instinctively. Well, this was slightly sarcastic. I wouldn't hang this picture on my wall, but it was clearly intended to look good like all the other pictures showing people happily running around with hammers or sickles and building better socialist future :) As for whether encouraging women to pick up technical or scientific jobs (when it works) does any good, I'm not sure. I'm under impression that lower number of women in IT and CS is mostly caused by the female part of "I've no idea what I'm doing, I kinda landed here by accident" crowd going somewhere else. Those who are serious get through regardless of sex and the rest, well, isn't serious.

netrus 14y ago

I am not an expert on tractor drivers' genders, but when I meet a female engineer over 30 in Western Germany, there is a chance > 80% her roots are in Eastern Germany.

paganel 14y ago

> Cute picture. But even after 50 years of this propaganda, I'm yet to see a woman driving tractors in Poland (yes, I've seen many men driving them). Not a tractor, but my aunt was operating an industrial crane in the '80s in communist Romania.