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What? Fortunately I wasn't talking about me, just men victims of rape. And doesn't matter if they follow my logic or not, we are discussing what's right, not th

What? Fortunately I wasn't talking about me, just men victims of rape. And doesn't matter if they follow my logic or not, we are discussing what's right, not the logic of the organizers of such meetings.

jessedhillon 14y ago
If you can't take your knowledge of "what's right" and actually change objective reality with it in a useful way, then it's dubious as to whether what you know is actually true. And IMO you would not be able to convince a female survivors group to let you in with logic, so again, I doubt strongly that it actually corresponds to truth.
- jQueryIsAwesome 14y ago
  Why you keep suggesting I'm talking about me?... are you just trolling?
  - jessedhillon 14y ago
    I assumed that you would take ownership of the argument you're forwarding, and at least monetarily, you could put yourself in the position of someone who would try to employ your logic. To do otherwise would be arguing in bad faith. And whether or not you are the person employing the logic, the point remains: a person couldn't take your argument and do something useful, like convince a group that he should be allowe in, and so I really have to wonder in what sense you think this argument is true. Presumably because it exhibits logical consistency, which by itself is irrelevant (cf bounded rationality)
    - jQueryIsAwesome 14y ago
      > a person couldn't take your argument and do something useful, like convince a group that he should be allowe in Have you heard about civil war? That was one group trying to convince another that some people should be allowed in. And anyway; I wasn't making an abstraction but the very evil segregation such as rape victims meetups excluding men. Unsurprisingly these meetups don't exist in reality; there are some about violence or abusive relationships in general.
      - jessedhillon 14y ago
        You obviously don't know what you're talking about if you think there are no female-only rape survivor groups.
        jQueryIsAwesome 14y ago
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem But is not the classic case of Ad-hominem, you did a deduction from point B to make a personal attack to deny the validness of point A. Interesting.
        jessedhillon 14y ago
        It's not as hominem to say that you do not have facts. Moreover, I already said that being logically correct is not my aim. Your argument lacks relevance or informedness, so you can make as many valid points as you want, your words simply have no correlation to reality.
        jQueryIsAwesome 14y ago
        Correlation with reality? If I wanted to speak the news I would become an anchorman. Most people here is discussing how things _should_ be and how that could become a reality. And say what you want, Im pretty sure white female rape-victims is not a valid meet up.
        jessedhillon 14y ago
        When did "white" get added? Also, you could have easily searched for this: http://www.raap.org/support-groups.html http://www.raap.org/support-groups.html As you obviously know nothing of rape, and probably not much of women either, I really have to question why you're still typing. You seem to be woefully unqualified to be participating in any conversation about what _should_ be, even supposing, as you have, that such a conversation doesn't need to be informed with facts.

jessedhillon 14y ago

If you can't take your knowledge of "what's right" and actually change objective reality with it in a useful way, then it's dubious as to whether what you know is actually true. And IMO you would not be able to convince a female survivors group to let you in with logic, so again, I doubt strongly that it actually corresponds to truth.

jQueryIsAwesome 14y ago
Why you keep suggesting I'm talking about me?... are you just trolling?
- jessedhillon 14y ago
  I assumed that you would take ownership of the argument you're forwarding, and at least monetarily, you could put yourself in the position of someone who would try to employ your logic. To do otherwise would be arguing in bad faith. And whether or not you are the person employing the logic, the point remains: a person couldn't take your argument and do something useful, like convince a group that he should be allowe in, and so I really have to wonder in what sense you think this argument is true. Presumably because it exhibits logical consistency, which by itself is irrelevant (cf bounded rationality)
  - jQueryIsAwesome 14y ago
    > a person couldn't take your argument and do something useful, like convince a group that he should be allowe in Have you heard about civil war? That was one group trying to convince another that some people should be allowed in. And anyway; I wasn't making an abstraction but the very evil segregation such as rape victims meetups excluding men. Unsurprisingly these meetups don't exist in reality; there are some about violence or abusive relationships in general.
    - jessedhillon 14y ago
      You obviously don't know what you're talking about if you think there are no female-only rape survivor groups.
      - jQueryIsAwesome 14y ago
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem But is not the classic case of Ad-hominem, you did a deduction from point B to make a personal attack to deny the validness of point A. Interesting.
        jessedhillon 14y ago
        It's not as hominem to say that you do not have facts. Moreover, I already said that being logically correct is not my aim. Your argument lacks relevance or informedness, so you can make as many valid points as you want, your words simply have no correlation to reality.
        jQueryIsAwesome 14y ago
        Correlation with reality? If I wanted to speak the news I would become an anchorman. Most people here is discussing how things _should_ be and how that could become a reality. And say what you want, Im pretty sure white female rape-victims is not a valid meet up.
        jessedhillon 14y ago
        When did "white" get added? Also, you could have easily searched for this: http://www.raap.org/support-groups.html http://www.raap.org/support-groups.html As you obviously know nothing of rape, and probably not much of women either, I really have to question why you're still typing. You seem to be woefully unqualified to be participating in any conversation about what _should_ be, even supposing, as you have, that such a conversation doesn't need to be informed with facts.