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There is a hard problem we are solving and requires implementing almost from scratch a few RFCs. The client part of it is 'finished' actually.

lifeisstillgood 14y ago
I am sure it is a hard problem, and I am certainly guilty of being quick on a negative comment when you and presumably many others have poured months or years into this. So I am sorry if my comment came over as trivialising. I would just ask then is there absolutely no part of this that can be useful and valuable without the complete whole? Are there truly no beta users that would be able to provide feedback or that extra special something a developer gets when her code is actually really in use by someone. Often I have found a different way to look at a problem and meant it breaks down in new and unexpected ways. I ask out of love :-)
- eduardordm 14y ago
  No problem, really. I didn't take it negatively at all, I understand that's a lot of time. The best thing we could do to test the product was to find a few users (paying users) and do some mechanical turk work. When the testing period ended they were willing to pay double to continue using the product, but our costs were growing by 10x. They knew upfront it was just a temporary service, we promised them 6 months of free service when we finally finish it. To mitigate the consequences of our failure, none of us quit our other company (we are working there part time) and we didn't get into debt. We hired some very bright guys to help us, we tried getting things faster by hiring more people, it didn't work out very well.
  - lifeisstillgood 14y ago
    Ahhhh, different story - I am too used to 20 year olds giving up their jobs to sleep next to the laptop to think there may be other more risk-reasonable people out there :-) Good luck. From reading your blog I can guess what you are referring to - I would be interested in interviewing you for my own blog of interesting programming things - any objections?
    - eduardordm 14y ago
      There is nothing extremely interesting in our project, but anyway, you can email me: eduardo at intermeta.com.br

lifeisstillgood 14y ago

I am sure it is a hard problem, and I am certainly guilty of being quick on a negative comment when you and presumably many others have poured months or years into this. So I am sorry if my comment came over as trivialising. I would just ask then is there absolutely no part of this that can be useful and valuable without the complete whole? Are there truly no beta users that would be able to provide feedback or that extra special something a developer gets when her code is actually really in use by someone. Often I have found a different way to look at a problem and meant it breaks down in new and unexpected ways. I ask out of love :-)

eduardordm 14y ago
No problem, really. I didn't take it negatively at all, I understand that's a lot of time. The best thing we could do to test the product was to find a few users (paying users) and do some mechanical turk work. When the testing period ended they were willing to pay double to continue using the product, but our costs were growing by 10x. They knew upfront it was just a temporary service, we promised them 6 months of free service when we finally finish it. To mitigate the consequences of our failure, none of us quit our other company (we are working there part time) and we didn't get into debt. We hired some very bright guys to help us, we tried getting things faster by hiring more people, it didn't work out very well.
- lifeisstillgood 14y ago
  Ahhhh, different story - I am too used to 20 year olds giving up their jobs to sleep next to the laptop to think there may be other more risk-reasonable people out there :-) Good luck. From reading your blog I can guess what you are referring to - I would be interested in interviewing you for my own blog of interesting programming things - any objections?
  - eduardordm 14y ago
    There is nothing extremely interesting in our project, but anyway, you can email me: eduardo at intermeta.com.br