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Okay, so in your world the government should be responsible for all negotiations? Some people and some businesses (run by people) can't negotiate well - so thi

by crusso 14y ago

Okay, so in your world the government should be responsible for all negotiations? Some people and some businesses (run by people) can't negotiate well - so this logically follows from your caustic and emotional comment. The government should set the price of my airline ticket, the price of milk at the grocery store, my salary, the salaries of professional basketball players, the prices that business use between each other, etc.? Let me just truly get a full view of your philosophy and what kind of zero Liberty world you would have us all live in.

Nursie 14y ago
Protecting the weakest in society != zero Liberty. The world ain't black and white and I didn't say the government should be responsible for all negotiations. At the lower end, the people who are stuck on minimum wage, the people who cannot improve themselves, these people need some protection. Yes, there are humans who are not good at looking out for their own long term interests or even their short term interests, lots of them. Looking out for them, protecting them from getting into (for instance) unfair contracts is one very useful government function. One could consider very low wages to be an unfair contract, pretty much by definition.
- crusso 14y ago
  Protecting the weakest in society != zero Liberty. So what's the cutoff for the "weakest in society"? Do you have a percentage of the population that we're obligated to care for? Should these people too helpless/clueless to ask for a competitive wage be allowed to drive cars? Should they be allowed to vote when they can't really perform the most basic of tasks in society? I didn't say the government should be responsible for all negotiations So where is the cutoff and how do we prevent it from creeping up? Food stamp use continues to rise because apparently larger and larger segments of the population cannot earn enough money for food. When does the continued increase of helplessness level off? the people who cannot improve themselves Cannot or will not? What incentive is there for people to get an education, to work hard, to improve their lot in life, to learn better ways to live, to learn how to negotiate for their worth at a job, etc. if the government tries to take over care of so many aspects. By seeking to protect people, government creates a dependency and victimhood mentality in society. Look, I'm for helping the helpless in our society. What I'm not for are absolute statements like your next one that are guaranteed to lead to an increase in helplessness. One could consider very low wages to be an unfair contract, pretty much by definition. If the wage earner is free to go elsewhere to negotiate the fee for his time then it is not unfair by definition.
  - Nursie 14y ago
    Bullshit, basically. So much ideological bullshit. Sorry.

by crusso 14y ago

Nursie 14y ago

Protecting the weakest in society != zero Liberty. The world ain't black and white and I didn't say the government should be responsible for all negotiations. At the lower end, the people who are stuck on minimum wage, the people who cannot improve themselves, these people need some protection. Yes, there are humans who are not good at looking out for their own long term interests or even their short term interests, lots of them. Looking out for them, protecting them from getting into (for instance) unfair contracts is one very useful government function. One could consider very low wages to be an unfair contract, pretty much by definition.

crusso 14y ago
Protecting the weakest in society != zero Liberty. So what's the cutoff for the "weakest in society"? Do you have a percentage of the population that we're obligated to care for? Should these people too helpless/clueless to ask for a competitive wage be allowed to drive cars? Should they be allowed to vote when they can't really perform the most basic of tasks in society? I didn't say the government should be responsible for all negotiations So where is the cutoff and how do we prevent it from creeping up? Food stamp use continues to rise because apparently larger and larger segments of the population cannot earn enough money for food. When does the continued increase of helplessness level off? the people who cannot improve themselves Cannot or will not? What incentive is there for people to get an education, to work hard, to improve their lot in life, to learn better ways to live, to learn how to negotiate for their worth at a job, etc. if the government tries to take over care of so many aspects. By seeking to protect people, government creates a dependency and victimhood mentality in society. Look, I'm for helping the helpless in our society. What I'm not for are absolute statements like your next one that are guaranteed to lead to an increase in helplessness. One could consider very low wages to be an unfair contract, pretty much by definition. If the wage earner is free to go elsewhere to negotiate the fee for his time then it is not unfair by definition.
- Nursie 14y ago
  Bullshit, basically. So much ideological bullshit. Sorry.