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The Striking Relationship Between Gun Safety Laws and Firearm Deaths

9 points by RyanMcGreal 14y ago

pc86 14y ago
The methodology here is incredibly flawed. (1) Legislative strength is based solely on the number of laws, not those laws content or intent. It's an objective measurement, sure, but having a dozen laws related to firearms is not inherently more gun control than three laws. (2) The quartiles aren't. Q1 is 0-2 laws (3); Q2 is 3-4 laws (2); Q3 is 5-8 laws (4); Q4 is 9-24 laws (16). So a random number between 0 and 24 is twice as likely to fall into Q3 than Q2, and is about twice as likely to fall into Q4 than any of the other three? Interesting that a pro gun control group would try to paint the states in Q1-3 as outliers. I live in PA, which somehow has the same legislative strength rating as California and Massachusetts. I can say beyond a shadow of a doubt that that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever read. Purchasing my hand gun took all of half an hour, most of that waiting for the background check to finish. To get a concealed carry permit (which admittedly varies by county) took a single-page application, $20 and a week or so for the paperwork. This is just a joke.
- hga 14y ago
  Wow, I'd been hearing brief analysis of how bad it was, but these details. I've lived in Massachusetts, before their "assault weapons" ban (seeing it coming was one reason I left). Walk outside of your house with one round of ammunition without having a may issue license is a mandatory one year in jail. Mens rea (guilty mind) is not required. Heck, that license, which used to be shall issue and supposedly was good for life, was changed by their AW ban law to expiring and requiring renewing, and a number of gun owners who did't get the word got arrested. The worst you can say about PA from what I've heard is that all handgun purchases must go through the instant check system, and Philadelphia doesn't like to play ball with the laws. I heard a while ago that it had the nation's highest rate of concealed carry licenses, obviously a shall issue state. CA and MA are may issue, which in practice is seldom issue outside of rural areas. San Francisco issued exactly one license last year, to a jeweler ... who they named....
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9 points by RyanMcGreal 14y ago

pc86 14y ago

The methodology here is incredibly flawed. (1) Legislative strength is based solely on the number of laws, not those laws content or intent. It's an objective measurement, sure, but having a dozen laws related to firearms is not inherently more gun control than three laws. (2) The quartiles aren't. Q1 is 0-2 laws (3); Q2 is 3-4 laws (2); Q3 is 5-8 laws (4); Q4 is 9-24 laws (16). So a random number between 0 and 24 is twice as likely to fall into Q3 than Q2, and is about twice as likely to fall into Q4 than any of the other three? Interesting that a pro gun control group would try to paint the states in Q1-3 as outliers. I live in PA, which somehow has the same legislative strength rating as California and Massachusetts. I can say beyond a shadow of a doubt that that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever read. Purchasing my hand gun took all of half an hour, most of that waiting for the background check to finish. To get a concealed carry permit (which admittedly varies by county) took a single-page application, $20 and a week or so for the paperwork. This is just a joke.

hga 14y ago
Wow, I'd been hearing brief analysis of how bad it was, but these details. I've lived in Massachusetts, before their "assault weapons" ban (seeing it coming was one reason I left). Walk outside of your house with one round of ammunition without having a may issue license is a mandatory one year in jail. Mens rea (guilty mind) is not required. Heck, that license, which used to be shall issue and supposedly was good for life, was changed by their AW ban law to expiring and requiring renewing, and a number of gun owners who did't get the word got arrested. The worst you can say about PA from what I've heard is that all handgun purchases must go through the instant check system, and Philadelphia doesn't like to play ball with the laws. I heard a while ago that it had the nation's highest rate of concealed carry licenses, obviously a shall issue state. CA and MA are may issue, which in practice is seldom issue outside of rural areas. San Francisco issued exactly one license last year, to a jeweler ... who they named....

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