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While I have always been pro-Aaron, your comment isn't true. For a common felon, any time is a life sentence, but not for a talented techie with this kind of r

While I have always been pro-Aaron, your comment isn't true. For a common felon, any time is a life sentence, but not for a talented techie with this kind of rap. For example, Kevin Mitnick is a very successful guy post prison. Aaron would have always been able to find work too, if not vote.

AnthonyMouse 14y ago
The poster you replied to didn't say anything about economic welfare. Being disenfranchised is nothing to be taken lightly -- especially when it happens at the scale it currently does, to the point that it could actually alter the outcome of elections.
- commandar 14y ago
  And when you're someone as politically-minded as Aaron.
delinka 14y ago
It is a life sentence! For the rest of one's life, a convicted/admitted felon may not vote, has his 2nd amendment rights stripped away. For. Life. ETA: This makes me think that perhaps there should be a law to prevent 'placing oneself into the status of felon' (by admitting guilt, taking a plea deal, w/e) and that one must be convicted of a felony to be labeled "felon" and thus be required to live with the lifelong restrictions.
- mpyne 14y ago
  https://wei.sos.wa.gov/agency/osos/en/voters/pages/felons_and_voting_rights.aspx https://wei.sos.wa.gov/agency/osos/en/voters/pages/felons_an... (TL;DR: Felons can vote just fine in Washington State once they are out of prison and/or community custody). And that was the absolute quickest of Google searches. If you don't know something about what you're talking about then why are you making claims of fact instead of couching in terms of opinion?
  - delinka 14y ago
    Not every felon lives in the state of Washington. And after yet another quick Google search, twelve states permanently revoke your right to vote once you're convicted of (or admit to?) a felony. That means they may not vote for the remainder of their lives. And what's this "couching in terms of opinion" crap? Where did I opine about this?
    - mpyne 14y ago
      12 out of 50 states? So you're saying (now) that he had better-than-average odds of being able to get his right to vote back even if he randomly picked a state to live in? My point about opinion was that you stated as a bare fact that his right to vote would be taken from him as a felon, which was not true (even if only 1 state gave felons the right to vote, he could move to that state when he's out). Having a felon status is annoying in enough actual ways that you shouldn't have to make stuff up or state unchecked assumptions as fact.
      - commandar 14y ago
        >So you're saying (now) that he had better-than-average odds of being able to get his right to vote back even if he randomly picked a state to live in? He had basically zero chance of having his rights restored. The only way to have your rights restored after a Federal felony conviction is by way of a Presidential pardon. Unlike the states, the Federal government has no other process in place for this.
  - YokoZar 14y ago
    Notwithstanding softer claims about this experience effecting you psychologically for life or depleting your life savings, it should be noted that discrimination against convicted felons is entirely legal and a frequent practice of most employers, bankers, and so on.
  - commandar 14y ago
    Restoration of rights after a felony conviction is completely dependent on the state where the conviction occurred. All states have a different process and some, like Florida, have intentionally been making it more difficult in recent years for felons to have their rights restored. Further, there is no process for the restoration of your rights if convicted of a Federal felony outside of a Presidential pardon, which is what Aaron was facing.

AnthonyMouse 14y ago

The poster you replied to didn't say anything about economic welfare. Being disenfranchised is nothing to be taken lightly -- especially when it happens at the scale it currently does, to the point that it could actually alter the outcome of elections.

commandar 14y ago
And when you're someone as politically-minded as Aaron.

delinka 14y ago

It is a life sentence! For the rest of one's life, a convicted/admitted felon may not vote, has his 2nd amendment rights stripped away. For. Life. ETA: This makes me think that perhaps there should be a law to prevent 'placing oneself into the status of felon' (by admitting guilt, taking a plea deal, w/e) and that one must be convicted of a felony to be labeled "felon" and thus be required to live with the lifelong restrictions.

mpyne 14y ago
https://wei.sos.wa.gov/agency/osos/en/voters/pages/felons_and_voting_rights.aspx https://wei.sos.wa.gov/agency/osos/en/voters/pages/felons_an... (TL;DR: Felons can vote just fine in Washington State once they are out of prison and/or community custody). And that was the absolute quickest of Google searches. If you don't know something about what you're talking about then why are you making claims of fact instead of couching in terms of opinion?
- delinka 14y ago
  Not every felon lives in the state of Washington. And after yet another quick Google search, twelve states permanently revoke your right to vote once you're convicted of (or admit to?) a felony. That means they may not vote for the remainder of their lives. And what's this "couching in terms of opinion" crap? Where did I opine about this?
  - mpyne 14y ago
    12 out of 50 states? So you're saying (now) that he had better-than-average odds of being able to get his right to vote back even if he randomly picked a state to live in? My point about opinion was that you stated as a bare fact that his right to vote would be taken from him as a felon, which was not true (even if only 1 state gave felons the right to vote, he could move to that state when he's out). Having a felon status is annoying in enough actual ways that you shouldn't have to make stuff up or state unchecked assumptions as fact.
    - commandar 14y ago
      >So you're saying (now) that he had better-than-average odds of being able to get his right to vote back even if he randomly picked a state to live in? He had basically zero chance of having his rights restored. The only way to have your rights restored after a Federal felony conviction is by way of a Presidential pardon. Unlike the states, the Federal government has no other process in place for this.
- YokoZar 14y ago
  Notwithstanding softer claims about this experience effecting you psychologically for life or depleting your life savings, it should be noted that discrimination against convicted felons is entirely legal and a frequent practice of most employers, bankers, and so on.
- commandar 14y ago
  Restoration of rights after a felony conviction is completely dependent on the state where the conviction occurred. All states have a different process and some, like Florida, have intentionally been making it more difficult in recent years for felons to have their rights restored. Further, there is no process for the restoration of your rights if convicted of a Federal felony outside of a Presidential pardon, which is what Aaron was facing.