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They don't have a Mercedes Smart bug where they mixed left and right causing the car to throw itself on its side when going through a turn. (edit) ... and I'm

They don't have a Mercedes Smart bug where they mixed left and right causing the car to throw itself on its side when going through a turn. (edit) ... and I'm downvoted. Lovely. Totally makes sense.

CanSpice 14y ago
You probably got downvoted because you just listed this bug without offering any type of proof that this bug actually happened.
- crististm 14y ago
  When did HN turned into Wikipedia?
Someone 14y ago
I think you mean a Mercedes-Benz A class, in the moose test (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moose_test http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moose_test) I have never heard that was software related, but it also is a decent bet software was involved, e.g. for stiffening the suspension. What top of the line car did not have software, in 1997?
- huhtenberg 14y ago
  That's the one, bingo. It was a new line of smaller MBs, so I misremembered it being Smart. The issue though was most certainly with the software overcompensating the roll in the wrong direction. I would've not remembered it otherwise :)
  - lttlrck 14y ago
    The A class didn't have active suspension. I believe it was a mechanical issue and solved with a stiffer front anti-roll bar and other suspension geometry tweak. Though there is a possibility the ESP was tweaked to apply the brake under such circumstances I think that could do more harm than good. I could be wrong, it was 1997.. IIRC the non-ESP MB Sprinter also had stability issues.
    - sebbi 14y ago
      I think the problem was that the A class had no ESP ... after they noticed that it could fall on its side in extreme slalom, this was one of the first (non-luxury) cars to include ESP from the factory.
    - huhtenberg 14y ago
      @sebbi - you are shadow-banned.
- nawitus 14y ago
  To have software involved with the suspension requires an active suspension, which was rare in 1997. Mercedes added an electronic stability system only after the Moose test failed, so I don't think it was a software problem in the first place (rather software fixed the problem).
- rbanffy 14y ago
  The A was as far from top of the line as MB goes. It was a cheap, entry-level model.

They don't have a Mercedes Smart bug where they mixed left and right causing the car to throw itself on its side when going through a turn. (edit) ... and I'm downvoted. Lovely. Totally makes sense.

CanSpice 14y ago

You probably got downvoted because you just listed this bug without offering any type of proof that this bug actually happened.

crististm 14y ago
When did HN turned into Wikipedia?

Someone 14y ago

I think you mean a Mercedes-Benz A class, in the moose test (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moose_test http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moose_test) I have never heard that was software related, but it also is a decent bet software was involved, e.g. for stiffening the suspension. What top of the line car did not have software, in 1997?

huhtenberg 14y ago
That's the one, bingo. It was a new line of smaller MBs, so I misremembered it being Smart. The issue though was most certainly with the software overcompensating the roll in the wrong direction. I would've not remembered it otherwise :)
- lttlrck 14y ago
  The A class didn't have active suspension. I believe it was a mechanical issue and solved with a stiffer front anti-roll bar and other suspension geometry tweak. Though there is a possibility the ESP was tweaked to apply the brake under such circumstances I think that could do more harm than good. I could be wrong, it was 1997.. IIRC the non-ESP MB Sprinter also had stability issues.
  - sebbi 14y ago
    I think the problem was that the A class had no ESP ... after they noticed that it could fall on its side in extreme slalom, this was one of the first (non-luxury) cars to include ESP from the factory.
  - huhtenberg 14y ago
    @sebbi - you are shadow-banned.
nawitus 14y ago
To have software involved with the suspension requires an active suspension, which was rare in 1997. Mercedes added an electronic stability system only after the Moose test failed, so I don't think it was a software problem in the first place (rather software fixed the problem).
rbanffy 14y ago
The A was as far from top of the line as MB goes. It was a cheap, entry-level model.