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For comparison to native applications: - Firefox 19 uses the delay technique - GTK3 uses the triangle technique - Tk 8.6 does what bootstrap does

by LukeShu 14y ago

For comparison to native applications: - Firefox 19 uses the delay technique - GTK3 uses the triangle technique - Tk 8.6 does what bootstrap does - I can't figure out what Qt 4 does

masklinn 14y ago
Cocoa seems to be using the triangle technique + a delay, FWIW: a submenu will close instantly when navigating vertically or to the opposite direction, but there is a lot of leeway when navigating in the triangle towards the submenu (eyeballing it, seems to take more than half a second for the submenu to close). And interestingly, you can also "overshoot" the submenu, it will delay its closing quite a bit when moving around/outside of it. > - Tk 8.6 does what bootstrap does Which is?
- npongratz 14y ago
  >> - Tk 8.6 does what bootstrap does >Which is? Per TFA: "... when you try to move your mouse from the main menu to the submenu, the submenu will disappear out from under you like some sort of sick, unwinnable game of whack-a-mole." http://static.tumblr.com/9hgswys/iU1mj8c6y/bootstrap-bug.gif http://static.tumblr.com/9hgswys/iU1mj8c6y/bootstrap-bug.gif
  - masklinn 14y ago
    Ah I'd missed that part, thanks.
mpyne 14y ago
Unfortunately I don't think Qt 4 does anything. Submenus are one of the annoying misfeature of the toolkit.
- LukeShu 14y ago
  I noticed that Qt programs were less likely to use sub-menus, probably for this reason. It's doing something; doing "nothing" is what Bootstrap does. But Qt 4 actually seems to go out of it's way to be unpredictable. _____ |item1|_______ |item2|item2.1| |item3|item2.2| |item4| If I drag my cursor from item2 to item2.2 through item3 qucikly, there's clearly a delay, as I see item2.2 get highlighted, but then the submenu disappears, and it selects item3. However, if I overshoot and drag the cursor out of the menu altogether, it leaves item2.2 selected. But then I think it does something with the angle it is moving at to make that sometimes not work. The behaviour is complex and unpredictable, which is different than nothing.
ssp 14y ago
- GTK3 uses the triangle technique GTK+ uses the triangle technique along with a delay of 225 ms. When the pointer is inside the triangle, the delay is 1500 ms. Firefox subscribes to the misguided "fake the look and feel of the default toolkit" idea, so on Linux it has a 225 ms delay, but without the triangle. Unfortunately 225 ms is way too short when there is no triangle.
pserwylo 14y ago
Thanks for the list. We were quite literally discussing this at work only yesterday, because the IntelliJ interface doesn't do anything. They use the Java Swing toolkit, which doesn't have any special treatement of sub-menu's. I was still dissapointed, not because Swing doesn't support it (I can't stand the default Swing Look and Feel), but because everything about their custom Look and Feel is awesome compared to default Swing, so I was hoping that they had added this feature too. I'm hoping that the open source community edition includes the source for their Look and Feel, but I'll have to wait until I've finished checking out the 1GB of source from github and then start trawling through it.

by LukeShu 14y ago

For comparison to native applications: - Firefox 19 uses the delay technique - GTK3 uses the triangle technique - Tk 8.6 does what bootstrap does - I can't figure out what Qt 4 does

masklinn 14y ago

Cocoa seems to be using the triangle technique + a delay, FWIW: a submenu will close instantly when navigating vertically or to the opposite direction, but there is a lot of leeway when navigating in the triangle towards the submenu (eyeballing it, seems to take more than half a second for the submenu to close). And interestingly, you can also "overshoot" the submenu, it will delay its closing quite a bit when moving around/outside of it. > - Tk 8.6 does what bootstrap does Which is?

npongratz 14y ago
>> - Tk 8.6 does what bootstrap does >Which is? Per TFA: "... when you try to move your mouse from the main menu to the submenu, the submenu will disappear out from under you like some sort of sick, unwinnable game of whack-a-mole." http://static.tumblr.com/9hgswys/iU1mj8c6y/bootstrap-bug.gif http://static.tumblr.com/9hgswys/iU1mj8c6y/bootstrap-bug.gif
- masklinn 14y ago
  Ah I'd missed that part, thanks.

mpyne 14y ago

Unfortunately I don't think Qt 4 does anything. Submenus are one of the annoying misfeature of the toolkit.

LukeShu 14y ago
I noticed that Qt programs were less likely to use sub-menus, probably for this reason. It's doing something; doing "nothing" is what Bootstrap does. But Qt 4 actually seems to go out of it's way to be unpredictable. _____ |item1|_______ |item2|item2.1| |item3|item2.2| |item4| If I drag my cursor from item2 to item2.2 through item3 qucikly, there's clearly a delay, as I see item2.2 get highlighted, but then the submenu disappears, and it selects item3. However, if I overshoot and drag the cursor out of the menu altogether, it leaves item2.2 selected. But then I think it does something with the angle it is moving at to make that sometimes not work. The behaviour is complex and unpredictable, which is different than nothing.

ssp 14y ago

- GTK3 uses the triangle technique GTK+ uses the triangle technique along with a delay of 225 ms. When the pointer is inside the triangle, the delay is 1500 ms. Firefox subscribes to the misguided "fake the look and feel of the default toolkit" idea, so on Linux it has a 225 ms delay, but without the triangle. Unfortunately 225 ms is way too short when there is no triangle.

pserwylo 14y ago

Thanks for the list. We were quite literally discussing this at work only yesterday, because the IntelliJ interface doesn't do anything. They use the Java Swing toolkit, which doesn't have any special treatement of sub-menu's. I was still dissapointed, not because Swing doesn't support it (I can't stand the default Swing Look and Feel), but because everything about their custom Look and Feel is awesome compared to default Swing, so I was hoping that they had added this feature too. I'm hoping that the open source community edition includes the source for their Look and Feel, but I'll have to wait until I've finished checking out the 1GB of source from github and then start trawling through it.