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These presentations irk me significantly. I get that you need to work on existing problems that have users that will pay. I get that you need a business model

These presentations irk me significantly. I get that you need to work on existing problems that have users that will pay. I get that you need a business model. I get that it needs to be a market that is open enough. But they rarely address how to generate ideas to work through. Perhaps I'm not entrepreneurial enough...but I refuse to believe that's the case. I get that you have to talk/observe users, but I don't know what market I'd like to engage and what I'd find interesting. In short, I know programming well, but it doesn't mean a damn thing for creating my own products because I don't know what needs people have.

showsover 14y ago
I have the same problem. Programming is the easy part for me, find ideas on the other hand is one of the hardest parts (after marketing a new product). Most people I talk to, don't seem to have any problems. Or perhaps I (and they) just don't see them as problems that need to be solved.
- mattgreenrocks 14y ago
  I gloss over many problems because I put up with a lot due to programming. Sometimes I think the best thing to do is walk away from it all and forget about the SaaS gold rush, trusting that a problem will find you. Feels like giving up, though.
UnoriginalGuy 14y ago
I'm in exactly the same situation as you. I have asked about it here before and the replies are "do A/B testing to figure out which idea is best" which is fine but only if you already have ideas. There is really two problems: Creating ideas, and knowing which ideas are "stupid" and which you should try. While it is easy to say "A/B test them all" that just isn't realistic with any level of time, cost, or personal constraints. I'm yet to have any idea that passes the "would I pay money for that?" test. That's kind of a massive problem.
- mattgreenrocks 14y ago
  > I'm yet to have any idea that passes the "would I pay money for that?" test. That's kind of a massive problem. This is a mindset problem for many developers. It's hard to realize most businesses love to pay money to make problems go away, however. When I was a consultant, I would have thrown money at a service which I could bill through, and it would auto-file my taxes with Uncle Sam without me having to do anything. Why? Because I forgot to do it, and had to pay penalties and such as one giant check when I filed for 2012. Basically, what do people have to do that they dislike? Businesses have a bunch of those needs. But, yes, the startup biz seems dominated by these pithy replies from people who've had success and just can't imagine how other people also aren't killing it. Posturing, pure and simple.
  - wilfra 14y ago
    It's not just posturing, their success came easy to them and thus they truly believe success is easy. They don't recognize the huge role luck plays. There is also the fact that the problem you guys are describing is not a problem at all to many people, like the guys who say this is easy. I am one of those for whom ideas are not a problem at all. Nor is assessing other peoples ideas to quickly figure out which would likely have a market and which would not. I've just added writing a blog post about this to my to-do list, hopefully I can come up with something good and help a whole lot of you improve upon this if it hits the front page. It's going to be really difficult though to put into words exactly how and why I can easily do this. I've never really thought about that - I just do it. It comes naturally. I'm going to put a lot more thought to this, but one thing that comes quickly to mind: Engineers are trained to think of all of the possible things which might go wrong and prevent those from happening. That's the exact opposite mindset of a productive idea bot. The idea bot thinks of all of the possible things that might go right and only thinks about what might go wrong later (often times pointing those things out to the idea bot is a major role of a good engineer). With experience and practice they'll be able to dismiss ideas faster because they know what can go wrong but they still have an optimistic approach and a very open mind to new ideas. Engineers can have a pessimistic approach and a somewhat closed mind about new ideas. So what you need to do is learn to flip that switch in your brain. Once you start actually building something, think about what can go wrong. But when you're thinking of ideas, dismiss every negative thought that enters your mind and think positive. What could go right, how much could I make from this if all goes perfectly etc. Get yourself excited. Excitement about ideas breeds more ideas.
crusso 14y ago
Step away from your computer (and HN) and talk to people. Socialize with folks who do other things besides programming and genuinely ask them about their work and how they do it. Get involved with people in your company outside of software development by volunteering to work with your Operations, Marketing, or Sales Engineering. My point is that you're stuck in the Machine. The Machine will get you where you want to go but you don't know where that is yet. Get out of the Machine and look around you. The Machine will be there for you when your desire to get somewhere manifests as the result of having some life experiences.
Anonymous09 14y ago
There's no guaranteed path to creating a successful startup. Google can release a project, and push it to millions of people overnight. They have a nearly unlimited budget, and bring some of the most talented people in the industry to the table. However, they have countless failures. Time, and time, and time again you see the most respected teams in the world fail. I find this fascinating. You can take the brightest minds in the world, give them billions of dollars, and they fail, while someone eating Ramen noodles, living in a basement succeeds. Try, and try again, because it's going to take a lot of failed attempts. Keep a fast turnover, and don't continue to pursue an idea that's not gaining traction.
olejolej 14y ago
Buils ie. for big markets: - teens - 3D printing glasses (trendy, unique) - parents - Q&A for childcare - woman - new ways of slimming There is no one proccess for finding ideas. There are clues for finding them. If you don't see such idea for masses then you don't undestand particular market :/ If you are a parent you often search for some child-care problems solutions. If you see problems with advices structure there, and friends find it also, then build it. Just check also Google Keyword Tool, thera are informations - what people are looking for / what lacks.

showsover 14y ago

I have the same problem. Programming is the easy part for me, find ideas on the other hand is one of the hardest parts (after marketing a new product). Most people I talk to, don't seem to have any problems. Or perhaps I (and they) just don't see them as problems that need to be solved.

mattgreenrocks 14y ago
I gloss over many problems because I put up with a lot due to programming. Sometimes I think the best thing to do is walk away from it all and forget about the SaaS gold rush, trusting that a problem will find you. Feels like giving up, though.

UnoriginalGuy 14y ago

I'm in exactly the same situation as you. I have asked about it here before and the replies are "do A/B testing to figure out which idea is best" which is fine but only if you already have ideas. There is really two problems: Creating ideas, and knowing which ideas are "stupid" and which you should try. While it is easy to say "A/B test them all" that just isn't realistic with any level of time, cost, or personal constraints. I'm yet to have any idea that passes the "would I pay money for that?" test. That's kind of a massive problem.

mattgreenrocks 14y ago
> I'm yet to have any idea that passes the "would I pay money for that?" test. That's kind of a massive problem. This is a mindset problem for many developers. It's hard to realize most businesses love to pay money to make problems go away, however. When I was a consultant, I would have thrown money at a service which I could bill through, and it would auto-file my taxes with Uncle Sam without me having to do anything. Why? Because I forgot to do it, and had to pay penalties and such as one giant check when I filed for 2012. Basically, what do people have to do that they dislike? Businesses have a bunch of those needs. But, yes, the startup biz seems dominated by these pithy replies from people who've had success and just can't imagine how other people also aren't killing it. Posturing, pure and simple.
- wilfra 14y ago
  It's not just posturing, their success came easy to them and thus they truly believe success is easy. They don't recognize the huge role luck plays. There is also the fact that the problem you guys are describing is not a problem at all to many people, like the guys who say this is easy. I am one of those for whom ideas are not a problem at all. Nor is assessing other peoples ideas to quickly figure out which would likely have a market and which would not. I've just added writing a blog post about this to my to-do list, hopefully I can come up with something good and help a whole lot of you improve upon this if it hits the front page. It's going to be really difficult though to put into words exactly how and why I can easily do this. I've never really thought about that - I just do it. It comes naturally. I'm going to put a lot more thought to this, but one thing that comes quickly to mind: Engineers are trained to think of all of the possible things which might go wrong and prevent those from happening. That's the exact opposite mindset of a productive idea bot. The idea bot thinks of all of the possible things that might go right and only thinks about what might go wrong later (often times pointing those things out to the idea bot is a major role of a good engineer). With experience and practice they'll be able to dismiss ideas faster because they know what can go wrong but they still have an optimistic approach and a very open mind to new ideas. Engineers can have a pessimistic approach and a somewhat closed mind about new ideas. So what you need to do is learn to flip that switch in your brain. Once you start actually building something, think about what can go wrong. But when you're thinking of ideas, dismiss every negative thought that enters your mind and think positive. What could go right, how much could I make from this if all goes perfectly etc. Get yourself excited. Excitement about ideas breeds more ideas.

crusso 14y ago

Step away from your computer (and HN) and talk to people. Socialize with folks who do other things besides programming and genuinely ask them about their work and how they do it. Get involved with people in your company outside of software development by volunteering to work with your Operations, Marketing, or Sales Engineering. My point is that you're stuck in the Machine. The Machine will get you where you want to go but you don't know where that is yet. Get out of the Machine and look around you. The Machine will be there for you when your desire to get somewhere manifests as the result of having some life experiences.

Anonymous09 14y ago

There's no guaranteed path to creating a successful startup. Google can release a project, and push it to millions of people overnight. They have a nearly unlimited budget, and bring some of the most talented people in the industry to the table. However, they have countless failures. Time, and time, and time again you see the most respected teams in the world fail. I find this fascinating. You can take the brightest minds in the world, give them billions of dollars, and they fail, while someone eating Ramen noodles, living in a basement succeeds. Try, and try again, because it's going to take a lot of failed attempts. Keep a fast turnover, and don't continue to pursue an idea that's not gaining traction.

olejolej 14y ago

Buils ie. for big markets: - teens - 3D printing glasses (trendy, unique) - parents - Q&A for childcare - woman - new ways of slimming There is no one proccess for finding ideas. There are clues for finding them. If you don't see such idea for masses then you don't undestand particular market :/ If you are a parent you often search for some child-care problems solutions. If you see problems with advices structure there, and friends find it also, then build it. Just check also Google Keyword Tool, thera are informations - what people are looking for / what lacks.