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It is incredibly easy to have a buildfarm (entirely made up of virtual machines even) that can build and test your software across dozens of operating systems.

It is incredibly easy to have a buildfarm (entirely made up of virtual machines even) that can build and test your software across dozens of operating systems. When I install a large software package like KDE, and see that there are glaringly obvious bugs, I assume it is because the developers do not care enough to do the most trivial automated testing. So I simply uninstall it and use software that works. When you create an impression of "we don't care about you", people are much less likely to bother reporting issues.

mpyne 14y ago
> So I simply uninstall it and use software that works. Which is convenient, as then I feel less guilty about the issues I don't have time to triage, less alone fix. You don't think I personally care if you use KDE or not I hope... I contribute where I can, as time becomes available. If people find that useful, that's wonderful. If people don't find that useful, that's fine too. I've heard from many people who have found useful those things I've found time to implement, so I'll keep plugging along for now. As it turns out though, there actually is a build farm/continuous integration infrastructure that our wonderful sysadmins have setup for KDE by now: http://build.kde.org/ http://build.kde.org/ But CI isn't useful unless it results in actionable information, and it still requires developer action to make the fixes. We're accepting patches...
- papsosouid 14y ago
  You seem to be confused. I was explaining why you don't see many bug reports, not threatening you with my not using KDE. I haven't tried KDE in like 12 years, it was just a general statement, not a comment on KDE specifically.
  - mpyne 14y ago
    No... we see tons of bug reports. Just not from OpenBSD users. If you're saying OpenBSD users are in general pickier about what software they install based on what practices are used to develop that software I'd certainly believe it. I've certainly done no studies myself to figure out why there are so few bug reports so I can't say any one reason is better than another.
    - papsosouid 14y ago
      >No... we see tons of bug reports. Just not from OpenBSD users. And NetBSD users, and minix users, etc, etc. That's exactly what I was saying.
      - mpyne 14y ago
        OK, gotcha. I didn't know that was what you were getting at but it makes sense now.
    - sthen 14y ago
      KDE 4 isn't packaged on OpenBSD yet, so it's not surprising there are a lack of bug reports for it.

mpyne 14y ago

> So I simply uninstall it and use software that works. Which is convenient, as then I feel less guilty about the issues I don't have time to triage, less alone fix. You don't think I personally care if you use KDE or not I hope... I contribute where I can, as time becomes available. If people find that useful, that's wonderful. If people don't find that useful, that's fine too. I've heard from many people who have found useful those things I've found time to implement, so I'll keep plugging along for now. As it turns out though, there actually is a build farm/continuous integration infrastructure that our wonderful sysadmins have setup for KDE by now: http://build.kde.org/ http://build.kde.org/ But CI isn't useful unless it results in actionable information, and it still requires developer action to make the fixes. We're accepting patches...

papsosouid 14y ago
You seem to be confused. I was explaining why you don't see many bug reports, not threatening you with my not using KDE. I haven't tried KDE in like 12 years, it was just a general statement, not a comment on KDE specifically.
- mpyne 14y ago
  No... we see tons of bug reports. Just not from OpenBSD users. If you're saying OpenBSD users are in general pickier about what software they install based on what practices are used to develop that software I'd certainly believe it. I've certainly done no studies myself to figure out why there are so few bug reports so I can't say any one reason is better than another.
  - papsosouid 14y ago
    >No... we see tons of bug reports. Just not from OpenBSD users. And NetBSD users, and minix users, etc, etc. That's exactly what I was saying.
    - mpyne 14y ago
      OK, gotcha. I didn't know that was what you were getting at but it makes sense now.
  - sthen 14y ago
    KDE 4 isn't packaged on OpenBSD yet, so it's not surprising there are a lack of bug reports for it.