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I hope you're happy when you watch a superior open source project stagnate before it had a chance to grow.

campnic 14y ago
What make one project superior to the other, besides your opinion? Open source is darwinian. If one project proves its superiority, development will shift and other projects will change. I would think that, as a hacker community, we could accept that.
- batgaijin 14y ago
  First, I mean superior to X, not other hypothetical versions of wayland. I am worried that the manpower will be divided and that minor decisions now will fuck up cross communal efforts. That's a reasonable belief.
  - campnic 14y ago
    It is a reasonable belief. And I'm not criticizing you for having it. Still, this process has repeated itself for a long time. Its not always fast and the best doesn't always win, but its how things seem to work.
- BHSPitMonkey 14y ago
  It's not /exactly/ darwinian when one project is being driven by an organization with clout and corporate partnerships. If you're Nvidia/AMD/Intel, which project would you be more receptive toward throwing your weight behind? The rinky-dinky band of Linux hackers with good intentions, or Canonical? What the manufacturers decide to do is critical, and I promise you they aren't taking some kind of meritocratic open-source approach to evaluating where to place their resources.
pyre 14y ago
The most likely outcome is the Canonical toils away themselves on Mir, and everyone else works on Wayland/Weston. Maybe at some point Canonical decides that it's better to just use Wayland, but that's about it. Wayland is already at 1.0, and has support from Valve, Nvidia, and AMD behind it. I don't see it disappearing soon. Especially since the implementation of Mir isn't even usable yet (while Wayland is).
- ginko 14y ago
  Wayland has support from NVidia and AMD behind it? That's news to me. Last time I heard NVidia announced that they will never support KMS.
- ffreire 14y ago
  I agree with ginko, is there some supporting evidence you have that points to support from NVIDIA? If so, that's a pretty interesting development. --- EDIT: Thanks for the update ElliotH!
- ElliotH 14y ago
  Sadly, it seems neither Nvidia or AMD have specific plans for this: Nvidia http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTE5MTk http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTE5M... AMD http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTE2NDQ http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTE2N... A great pity.
- pyre 14y ago
  Ok, I may have misread something, but I was going off of this[1], which was posted elsewhere. I could have sworn that a comment from one of the Wayland devs claimed that Nvidia, AMD, Valve were on-board (at least tentatively) with Wayland, but I can't find that post now. [1] https://plus.google.com/100409717163242445476/posts/jDq6BAgdpkG https://plus.google.com/100409717163242445476/posts/jDq6BAgd...

What make one project superior to the other, besides your opinion? Open source is darwinian. If one project proves its superiority, development will shift and other projects will change. I would think that, as a hacker community, we could accept that.

batgaijin 14y ago
First, I mean superior to X, not other hypothetical versions of wayland. I am worried that the manpower will be divided and that minor decisions now will fuck up cross communal efforts. That's a reasonable belief.
- campnic 14y ago
  It is a reasonable belief. And I'm not criticizing you for having it. Still, this process has repeated itself for a long time. Its not always fast and the best doesn't always win, but its how things seem to work.
BHSPitMonkey 14y ago
It's not /exactly/ darwinian when one project is being driven by an organization with clout and corporate partnerships. If you're Nvidia/AMD/Intel, which project would you be more receptive toward throwing your weight behind? The rinky-dinky band of Linux hackers with good intentions, or Canonical? What the manufacturers decide to do is critical, and I promise you they aren't taking some kind of meritocratic open-source approach to evaluating where to place their resources.

pyre 14y ago

The most likely outcome is the Canonical toils away themselves on Mir, and everyone else works on Wayland/Weston. Maybe at some point Canonical decides that it's better to just use Wayland, but that's about it. Wayland is already at 1.0, and has support from Valve, Nvidia, and AMD behind it. I don't see it disappearing soon. Especially since the implementation of Mir isn't even usable yet (while Wayland is).

ginko 14y ago
Wayland has support from NVidia and AMD behind it? That's news to me. Last time I heard NVidia announced that they will never support KMS.
ffreire 14y ago
I agree with ginko, is there some supporting evidence you have that points to support from NVIDIA? If so, that's a pretty interesting development. --- EDIT: Thanks for the update ElliotH!
ElliotH 14y ago
Sadly, it seems neither Nvidia or AMD have specific plans for this: Nvidia http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTE5MTk http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTE5M... AMD http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTE2NDQ http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTE2N... A great pity.
pyre 14y ago
Ok, I may have misread something, but I was going off of this[1], which was posted elsewhere. I could have sworn that a comment from one of the Wayland devs claimed that Nvidia, AMD, Valve were on-board (at least tentatively) with Wayland, but I can't find that post now. [1] https://plus.google.com/100409717163242445476/posts/jDq6BAgdpkG https://plus.google.com/100409717163242445476/posts/jDq6BAgd...