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abusing unprescribed drugs makes you a "complete moron", but abusing unprescribed drugs in moderation makes you well informed. note taken.

icelancer 14y ago
Is it abuse if you use them for performance reasons and moderate it properly? Just because the distributors of the drug say it is abuse doesn't mean it is - they do not get to decide these things.
- catshirt 14y ago
  this is to my point. who then is the arbiter of abuse? OP? x pills is fine, y pills is fine, z pills makes you a "complete moron".
  - disbelief 14y ago
    Well, when your life starts to fall apart at the seams and you start exhibiting any one of the behaviours mentioned in OP's article, that's a pretty good indicator you've reached "complete moron" status. However I think you're over simplifying the question. Not everyone has the same response to drugs/substances. Some people can do what systematical does without any long term side effects because they simply have the willpower, self awareness, and personality type that allows them to avoid becoming dependent. Conversely other people would become dependent and turn into complete wrecks almost over night. Similar things can be said for alcohol, or any other "altered stated". It doesn't necessarily mean that the substance itself is the problem, or that all use is "abuse". It really comes down to knowing yourself, knowing your own limits, and being as well informed as you can be.
    - systematical 14y ago
      Disbelief is correct here. On the other hand we have a developer at work (with a prescription) that takes this stuff almost daily. I couldn't live like that, I enjoy my lunch too much and feeling "normal."
    - catshirt 14y ago
      i'm getting abstract here but i think the point i am trying to make is that addiction in any capacity is not enough to qualify someone as a "complete moron". i considered that this might be overly semantic. but if not definitively incorrect, it is at the very least profoundly tactless.
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lhnn 14y ago
Is it abuse if it's in moderation? (hint: No)
yareally 14y ago
He never said if they were prescribed or not. He could be prescribed them and simply not taking them for a while. If they were prescribed, you can only have one prescription of 30 day supply filled every 30 days for them (in the United States).
systematical 14y ago
W.H.O. defines S/A as "Substance abuse refers to the harmful or hazardous use of psychoactive substances, including alcohol and illicit drugs. Psychoactive substance use can lead to dependence syndrome - a cluster of behavioural, cognitive, and physiological phenomena that develop after repeated substance use and that typically include a strong desire to take the drug, difficulties in controlling its use, persisting in its use despite harmful consequences, a higher priority given to drug use than to other activities and obligations, increased tolerance, and sometimes a physical withdrawal state."

icelancer 14y ago

Is it abuse if you use them for performance reasons and moderate it properly? Just because the distributors of the drug say it is abuse doesn't mean it is - they do not get to decide these things.

catshirt 14y ago
this is to my point. who then is the arbiter of abuse? OP? x pills is fine, y pills is fine, z pills makes you a "complete moron".
- disbelief 14y ago
  Well, when your life starts to fall apart at the seams and you start exhibiting any one of the behaviours mentioned in OP's article, that's a pretty good indicator you've reached "complete moron" status. However I think you're over simplifying the question. Not everyone has the same response to drugs/substances. Some people can do what systematical does without any long term side effects because they simply have the willpower, self awareness, and personality type that allows them to avoid becoming dependent. Conversely other people would become dependent and turn into complete wrecks almost over night. Similar things can be said for alcohol, or any other "altered stated". It doesn't necessarily mean that the substance itself is the problem, or that all use is "abuse". It really comes down to knowing yourself, knowing your own limits, and being as well informed as you can be.
  - systematical 14y ago
    Disbelief is correct here. On the other hand we have a developer at work (with a prescription) that takes this stuff almost daily. I couldn't live like that, I enjoy my lunch too much and feeling "normal."
  - catshirt 14y ago
    i'm getting abstract here but i think the point i am trying to make is that addiction in any capacity is not enough to qualify someone as a "complete moron". i considered that this might be overly semantic. but if not definitively incorrect, it is at the very least profoundly tactless.

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lhnn 14y ago

Is it abuse if it's in moderation? (hint: No)

yareally 14y ago

He never said if they were prescribed or not. He could be prescribed them and simply not taking them for a while. If they were prescribed, you can only have one prescription of 30 day supply filled every 30 days for them (in the United States).

systematical 14y ago

W.H.O. defines S/A as "Substance abuse refers to the harmful or hazardous use of psychoactive substances, including alcohol and illicit drugs. Psychoactive substance use can lead to dependence syndrome - a cluster of behavioural, cognitive, and physiological phenomena that develop after repeated substance use and that typically include a strong desire to take the drug, difficulties in controlling its use, persisting in its use despite harmful consequences, a higher priority given to drug use than to other activities and obligations, increased tolerance, and sometimes a physical withdrawal state."