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Yay more "not invented here". The list of OS's is going to be: MacOS X, windows, Linux and completely separately Ubuntu by time they've replaced everything. Ca

by meaty 14y ago

Yay more "not invented here". The list of OS's is going to be: MacOS X, windows, Linux and completely separately Ubuntu by time they've replaced everything. Canonical are turning into a 1990's style Unix vendor. We haven't forgotten that crock of shit yet.

leetrout 14y ago
"We haven't forgotten that crock of shit yet." Ahahaha. That's great. I was coming here to post the same thing as a question... Because I feel like they're on a mission to replace all the core components for the look and feel. Is this a stated mission? Have they replaced anything else "major" other than the window manager?
- wmf 14y ago
  Upstart.
  - DannoHung 14y ago
    Seems like Upstart had decent adoption as an initd modernization effort until systemd becamse popular. Why was systemd accepted as non-fragmentary?
    - wmf 14y ago
      People hate on systemd as much or more than Upstart, so I wouldn't say it's any better or worse. But init is an example of something that the neckbeards thought Ubuntu didn't need to fix.
      - meaty 14y ago
        Neckbeard here. We don't mind it being fixed. But we'd prefer it was fixed with something which was better engineered and fitted into the entire ecosystem. For example, the *BSD's have a completely different init system and dependency chain resulting in a large "WTF" moment now that everything suddenly has crap loads of dbus in it as a core dependency.
- mnazim 14y ago
  I, as an end user, care about what I see and interact with. Why should I care about what's behind the scenes? If replacing the X is what it takes to reach the goal so be it. Of course, if it turns into something designed to takes away my freedoms, then I have to worry.
  - meaty 14y ago
    The thing is that you are sacrificing your freedom to it. You're being slowly locked into another incompatible platform. One of the great freedoms of open source software is to go "fuck you disty, I'm off to another one". When all your stuff is coded against Mir, Upstart and Unity, you no longer have that luxury. Also, beauty is only skin deep.

by meaty 14y ago

leetrout 14y ago

"We haven't forgotten that crock of shit yet." Ahahaha. That's great. I was coming here to post the same thing as a question... Because I feel like they're on a mission to replace all the core components for the look and feel. Is this a stated mission? Have they replaced anything else "major" other than the window manager?

wmf 14y ago
Upstart.
- DannoHung 14y ago
  Seems like Upstart had decent adoption as an initd modernization effort until systemd becamse popular. Why was systemd accepted as non-fragmentary?
  - wmf 14y ago
    People hate on systemd as much or more than Upstart, so I wouldn't say it's any better or worse. But init is an example of something that the neckbeards thought Ubuntu didn't need to fix.
    - meaty 14y ago
      Neckbeard here. We don't mind it being fixed. But we'd prefer it was fixed with something which was better engineered and fitted into the entire ecosystem. For example, the *BSD's have a completely different init system and dependency chain resulting in a large "WTF" moment now that everything suddenly has crap loads of dbus in it as a core dependency.
mnazim 14y ago
I, as an end user, care about what I see and interact with. Why should I care about what's behind the scenes? If replacing the X is what it takes to reach the goal so be it. Of course, if it turns into something designed to takes away my freedoms, then I have to worry.
- meaty 14y ago
  The thing is that you are sacrificing your freedom to it. You're being slowly locked into another incompatible platform. One of the great freedoms of open source software is to go "fuck you disty, I'm off to another one". When all your stuff is coded against Mir, Upstart and Unity, you no longer have that luxury. Also, beauty is only skin deep.