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this is the type of reason why i stopped using cloudflare. there are just too many eggs in one basket. it's as if their entire service becomes a SPOF to your in

this is the type of reason why i stopped using cloudflare. there are just too many eggs in one basket. it's as if their entire service becomes a SPOF to your infrastructure.

danielpal 14y ago
What is the alternative? Are you saying you can run a service without a DNS provider? You can always have multiple DNS service providers and CloudFlare is probably one of the best ones.
- frankacter 14y ago
  As of January 2013, CloudFlare is number two, second only to Dyn: http://blog.cloudflare.com/cloudflare-fastest-free-dns-among-fastest-dns http://blog.cloudflare.com/cloudflare-fastest-free-dns-among...
driverdan 14y ago
You could say the same thing about almost any of your service providers. Your DNS provider goes out, everything goes out. The routers at the data center with your servers go out, all your servers go out. Your CDN goes out, all of the static assets on your site go out. There will always be potential SPOF.
- saurik 14y ago
  While your example with the routers at your backend is truly problematic, DNS is designed with built-in redundancy and CDNs (which CloudFlare should not really count as) having a world-wide outage (as opposed to "people accessing from New York are currently having issues, as we lost one PoP") is nigh-unto unheard of... can you imagine Akamai (or CDNetworks or EdgeCast or even Amazon) saying "doh, all of our infrastructure everywhere just disappeared"? The core problem with CloudFlare is that they seem to have a highly-centralized take on what is normally a massively-decentralized solution-space, with large numbers of value-adds they encourage customers to use without making it clear that they treat in a haphazard manner, doing very little testing before deploying pushing-the-envelope features while simultaneously having very little in-house debugging expertise to handle serious issues. (As a concrete example of that last complaint, Cydia was crippled for an entire day due to ModMyi turning on CloudFlare's "preloader" transformation, which apparently caused many WebKit-based browsers--including both MobileSafari and Cydia--to entirely lock up; CloudFlare seemed to go the entire day without noticing, which I continue to be utterly shocked by, and it was only after I told them how to fix it that they were able to acknowledge the issue.) http://www.saurik.com/id/14 http://www.saurik.com/id/14 <- When "Dumb Pipes" Get Too Smart, an extensive analysis of this bug

this is the type of reason why i stopped using cloudflare. there are just too many eggs in one basket. it's as if their entire service becomes a SPOF to your infrastructure.

danielpal 14y ago

What is the alternative? Are you saying you can run a service without a DNS provider? You can always have multiple DNS service providers and CloudFlare is probably one of the best ones.

frankacter 14y ago
As of January 2013, CloudFlare is number two, second only to Dyn: http://blog.cloudflare.com/cloudflare-fastest-free-dns-among-fastest-dns http://blog.cloudflare.com/cloudflare-fastest-free-dns-among...

driverdan 14y ago

You could say the same thing about almost any of your service providers. Your DNS provider goes out, everything goes out. The routers at the data center with your servers go out, all your servers go out. Your CDN goes out, all of the static assets on your site go out. There will always be potential SPOF.

saurik 14y ago
While your example with the routers at your backend is truly problematic, DNS is designed with built-in redundancy and CDNs (which CloudFlare should not really count as) having a world-wide outage (as opposed to "people accessing from New York are currently having issues, as we lost one PoP") is nigh-unto unheard of... can you imagine Akamai (or CDNetworks or EdgeCast or even Amazon) saying "doh, all of our infrastructure everywhere just disappeared"? The core problem with CloudFlare is that they seem to have a highly-centralized take on what is normally a massively-decentralized solution-space, with large numbers of value-adds they encourage customers to use without making it clear that they treat in a haphazard manner, doing very little testing before deploying pushing-the-envelope features while simultaneously having very little in-house debugging expertise to handle serious issues. (As a concrete example of that last complaint, Cydia was crippled for an entire day due to ModMyi turning on CloudFlare's "preloader" transformation, which apparently caused many WebKit-based browsers--including both MobileSafari and Cydia--to entirely lock up; CloudFlare seemed to go the entire day without noticing, which I continue to be utterly shocked by, and it was only after I told them how to fix it that they were able to acknowledge the issue.) http://www.saurik.com/id/14 http://www.saurik.com/id/14 <- When "Dumb Pipes" Get Too Smart, an extensive analysis of this bug