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Whistle blower are per se mentally ill, you claim? Or how come, you dismiss him as a fragile person? He had good intentions and good reasons, the cables are an

Whistle blower are per se mentally ill, you claim? Or how come, you dismiss him as a fragile person? He had good intentions and good reasons, the cables are an eye opener. Sweeping and leaving those actions under the rug would be the right thing to do? It was the lowest clearance, btw.

jacquesm 14y ago
> Whistle blower are per se mentally ill, you claim? No, I don't claim that. > Or how come, you dismiss him as a fragile person? Because, unlike you, I know his biography by heart. > it was the lowest clearance by the way: "Receiving a TS/SCI security clearance (Top Secret/Sensitive Compartmented Information)." see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley_Manning http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley_Manning
- killerpopiller 14y ago
  indeed, I don't know his biography, but do you? To paint Manning as a weak, gay, sexually uncertain character suits those parties who'd rather distract from the contents of those leaks than to admit that parts of the US foreign policy are unethical.
  - jacquesm 14y ago
    I've read a lot about him and those things are pretty much common knowledge by now. I would not go so far as to paint Manning as 'weak, gay, sexually uncertain', but I definitely would think twice when confronted with his history if I were to give him some clearance level (not that I'll ever be in a position to do so). Manning strikes me as someone that has a pretty highly developed sense of what is right and what is wrong. US foreign policy is not just 'unethical', I think it transcends that several levels at least. The main reason why the US Government is going after Manning is not because it distracts the attention from US foreign policy, but mostly because he made them look like fools.
    - killerpopiller 14y ago
      ..or maybe both. to me, discussing and speculating his state of mind, his personality from a armchair just doesn' feel right. It might not even correlate with his actions. They count and were well intended, ethical, brave, helping and in a good democratic spirit. They were also foolish, off, dangerous and endangering. I am convinced that people with different psych. I hope he will be treated like Daniel Elsberg.
mpyne 14y ago
It's definitely not the lowest clearance you can get. The clerk shuffling HR paperwork at an admin office for military technically needs to be screened as well (since they'll be handling PII and responsible for pay system updates), but they certainly don't need access to TS info.
- cma 14y ago
  Lowest clearance for an analyst.
  - mbrameld 14y ago
    A TS/SCI is required for just about every intel job in the military, so sure it's probably factually accurate to say that's the lowest clearance for an analyst. But it's also the clearance that 95% (an educated estimate) of analysts hold. There just aren't many folks with anything higher than that and comparatively speaking not a whole lot of stuff gets classified higher than that. So, what's your point?

jacquesm 14y ago

> Whistle blower are per se mentally ill, you claim? No, I don't claim that. > Or how come, you dismiss him as a fragile person? Because, unlike you, I know his biography by heart. > it was the lowest clearance by the way: "Receiving a TS/SCI security clearance (Top Secret/Sensitive Compartmented Information)." see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley_Manning http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley_Manning

killerpopiller 14y ago
indeed, I don't know his biography, but do you? To paint Manning as a weak, gay, sexually uncertain character suits those parties who'd rather distract from the contents of those leaks than to admit that parts of the US foreign policy are unethical.
- jacquesm 14y ago
  I've read a lot about him and those things are pretty much common knowledge by now. I would not go so far as to paint Manning as 'weak, gay, sexually uncertain', but I definitely would think twice when confronted with his history if I were to give him some clearance level (not that I'll ever be in a position to do so). Manning strikes me as someone that has a pretty highly developed sense of what is right and what is wrong. US foreign policy is not just 'unethical', I think it transcends that several levels at least. The main reason why the US Government is going after Manning is not because it distracts the attention from US foreign policy, but mostly because he made them look like fools.
  - killerpopiller 14y ago
    ..or maybe both. to me, discussing and speculating his state of mind, his personality from a armchair just doesn' feel right. It might not even correlate with his actions. They count and were well intended, ethical, brave, helping and in a good democratic spirit. They were also foolish, off, dangerous and endangering. I am convinced that people with different psych. I hope he will be treated like Daniel Elsberg.

mpyne 14y ago

It's definitely not the lowest clearance you can get. The clerk shuffling HR paperwork at an admin office for military technically needs to be screened as well (since they'll be handling PII and responsible for pay system updates), but they certainly don't need access to TS info.

cma 14y ago
Lowest clearance for an analyst.
- mbrameld 14y ago
  A TS/SCI is required for just about every intel job in the military, so sure it's probably factually accurate to say that's the lowest clearance for an analyst. But it's also the clearance that 95% (an educated estimate) of analysts hold. There just aren't many folks with anything higher than that and comparatively speaking not a whole lot of stuff gets classified higher than that. So, what's your point?