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But it still requires an Apple ID, and that's what bothers me. Xcode should be an optional install included with the OS or downloadable anonymously. After all,

But it still requires an Apple ID, and that's what bothers me. Xcode should be an optional install included with the OS or downloadable anonymously. After all, I need it to install free software with MacPorts/Homebrew/pkgsrc, so I don't think my position is unreasonable, even if it seems extreme or impractical. It's just the line I wouldn't cross myself. With Linux, I don't have to, so I'm enjoying the alternative while it still exists.

mitchty 14y ago
Seems somewhat over the top and unreasonable to me to be honest. If it was included only on the install dvd or disk image, it could be out of date or have known bugs that are fixed in other versions. Keeping it downloadable means llvm can be updated independent of the OS. Not sure why an id is so offensive to you.
- jackalope 14y ago
  Before Software Update was integrated with the Mac App Store, Xcode was an optional install from the DVD that was also freely and anonymously updated via Software Update (beginning with Snow Leopard, I believe). It allowed me to freely and anonymously use my computer in a way that I wanted, so requiring an Apple Id makes it feel like that freedom was taken away. Everyone has a line somewhere, and that was the one I couldn't cross. Why do I need Apple's permission to install Mutt? It seems crazy and, yes, offensive to me.
  - mitchty 14y ago
    Where do you get apples permission to install mutt? They're only going for a developer id. Put in bogus information if you want. I guess I don't see this as being a freedom issue at all. From my vantage it seems over the top. And this is from someone thats used linux since 1997ish and osx since whenever 10.3 was. Seems over reactionary to me.
- tubbo 14y ago
  You pretty much need an Apple ID to use OS X these days, so if you don't trust Apple to not use the information it can/may be track(ing) against you I guess it would be a good idea to not use OS X. Personally, I don't really care...I already use the App Store so I'm already signed in, I guess...and getting automatic updates through one clean interface is way nicer than the previous Software Update / App Store cross, which was always annoying. However, jackalope, I'm hoping you've seen the recent articles on using ChromeOS + Ubuntu on a Chromebook and you'll stop buying overpriced Mac hardware =D

mitchty 14y ago

Seems somewhat over the top and unreasonable to me to be honest. If it was included only on the install dvd or disk image, it could be out of date or have known bugs that are fixed in other versions. Keeping it downloadable means llvm can be updated independent of the OS. Not sure why an id is so offensive to you.

jackalope 14y ago
Before Software Update was integrated with the Mac App Store, Xcode was an optional install from the DVD that was also freely and anonymously updated via Software Update (beginning with Snow Leopard, I believe). It allowed me to freely and anonymously use my computer in a way that I wanted, so requiring an Apple Id makes it feel like that freedom was taken away. Everyone has a line somewhere, and that was the one I couldn't cross. Why do I need Apple's permission to install Mutt? It seems crazy and, yes, offensive to me.
- mitchty 14y ago
  Where do you get apples permission to install mutt? They're only going for a developer id. Put in bogus information if you want. I guess I don't see this as being a freedom issue at all. From my vantage it seems over the top. And this is from someone thats used linux since 1997ish and osx since whenever 10.3 was. Seems over reactionary to me.
tubbo 14y ago
You pretty much need an Apple ID to use OS X these days, so if you don't trust Apple to not use the information it can/may be track(ing) against you I guess it would be a good idea to not use OS X. Personally, I don't really care...I already use the App Store so I'm already signed in, I guess...and getting automatic updates through one clean interface is way nicer than the previous Software Update / App Store cross, which was always annoying. However, jackalope, I'm hoping you've seen the recent articles on using ChromeOS + Ubuntu on a Chromebook and you'll stop buying overpriced Mac hardware =D