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>If you just make it to the middle of that same paragraph: "Apple's request to define copyright law to include jailbreaking as a violation was denied as part of

by eurleif 14y ago

>If you just make it to the middle of that same paragraph: "Apple's request to define copyright law to include jailbreaking as a violation was denied as part of the 2009 DMCA rulemaking." Wikipedia's wording isn't very clear (although it would be clearer if you didn't quote a single sentence out of context), but that sentence is talking about a DMCA exemption, not saying the Library of Congress made a statement that jailbreaking was never a violation. Here's the EFF discussing the jailbreaking exemption created by the 2009 DMCA rulemaking: https://www.eff.org/cases/2009-dmca-rulemaking https://www.eff.org/cases/2009-dmca-rulemaking

JohnHaugeland 14y ago
> but that sentence is talking about a DMCA exemption No, that sentence, which talks about things that happened while the DMCA was being written, before it was a law at all, is not in fact talking about an exemption. Apple tried to have this made illegal; they got laughed at. And now you've posted a third link which agrees with me as evidence that you're right. I think I'm going to stop responding now, because you're pretty obviously on auto-pilot.
- eurleif 14y ago
  >which talks about things that happened while the DMCA was being written, before it was a law at all "as part of the 2009 DMCA rulemaking" is talking about something that happened before the DMCA was passed? Hint: the DMCA was passed in 1998. >I think I'm going to stop responding now, because you're pretty obviously on auto-pilot. I don't know if you're projecting or trolling.
  - JohnHaugeland 14y ago
    Ah, personal attacks.
    - pessimizer 14y ago
      What part of "the DMCA was passed in 1998" is a personal attack? It's not like he said: "Please actually read the links you give when arguing. It's especially important because the links you're giving should be your first hints that you're wrong. However, you're so certain that you're right that you aren't even checking." OR "I think I'm going to stop responding now, because you're pretty obviously on auto-pilot." Are you in a manic phase or something?
      - JohnHaugeland 14y ago
        "What part of "the DMCA was passed in 1998" is a personal attack?" The part where he says projecting or trolling. I guess I have a pretty similar reaction to you, where when I say I'm walking away because he's not listening to me, you infer mental illness. Sometimes it's best to keep it a little calmer. Someone doesn't have to be mentally ill to walk away from someone accusing them of being a troll. I hope you'll consider whether that phrasing was actually appropriate. Please have a good day.

by eurleif 14y ago

JohnHaugeland 14y ago

> but that sentence is talking about a DMCA exemption No, that sentence, which talks about things that happened while the DMCA was being written, before it was a law at all, is not in fact talking about an exemption. Apple tried to have this made illegal; they got laughed at. And now you've posted a third link which agrees with me as evidence that you're right. I think I'm going to stop responding now, because you're pretty obviously on auto-pilot.

eurleif 14y ago
>which talks about things that happened while the DMCA was being written, before it was a law at all "as part of the 2009 DMCA rulemaking" is talking about something that happened before the DMCA was passed? Hint: the DMCA was passed in 1998. >I think I'm going to stop responding now, because you're pretty obviously on auto-pilot. I don't know if you're projecting or trolling.
- JohnHaugeland 14y ago
  Ah, personal attacks.
  - pessimizer 14y ago
    What part of "the DMCA was passed in 1998" is a personal attack? It's not like he said: "Please actually read the links you give when arguing. It's especially important because the links you're giving should be your first hints that you're wrong. However, you're so certain that you're right that you aren't even checking." OR "I think I'm going to stop responding now, because you're pretty obviously on auto-pilot." Are you in a manic phase or something?
    - JohnHaugeland 14y ago
      "What part of "the DMCA was passed in 1998" is a personal attack?" The part where he says projecting or trolling. I guess I have a pretty similar reaction to you, where when I say I'm walking away because he's not listening to me, you infer mental illness. Sometimes it's best to keep it a little calmer. Someone doesn't have to be mentally ill to walk away from someone accusing them of being a troll. I hope you'll consider whether that phrasing was actually appropriate. Please have a good day.