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We continue trying to find ways to create new outlaws. 6 strikes came into effect and nobody is bothered. The govt does not represent the people. What is said i

by anoncow 14y ago

We continue trying to find ways to create new outlaws. 6 strikes came into effect and nobody is bothered. The govt does not represent the people. What is said is not meant. We live and are expected to live chasing things we don't want and as slaves to masters, hoping to be masters someday. It is extremely disturbing to be able to think about all this and live life. It is no wonder that some people choose to ignore all of the negativity and live whatever is left of their lives.

ishansharma 14y ago
I fully agree with you. I remember reading an article about how democracy is for ideal world which does not exist. In a perfect situation, we wold have representatives who understand people. But what we have is a large group of selfish people who take money from businesses and pass such stupid laws. They censor everything they can't understand or tht threatens their power in any way. Internet is one such medium as it increases information flow and power of people and decreases their!
- AutoCorrect 14y ago
  those that want power aren't fit to wield it, those fit to wield it don't want it.
  - ishansharma 14y ago
    Spot on! I observe this thing in my university too. All the top students who have caliber to do something won't touch it because it involves too much bureaucracy and as a result, everything is done by, well, incompetent people who spread corruption! I guess it only grows when we go up in the chain.
thoughtcriminal 14y ago
To live the American dream, you need to be asleep.
sp332 14y ago
"6 strikes" doesn't make any new criminals. It's a voluntary deal with certain ISPs that doesn't (directly) involve criminal charges or civil lawsuits.
- anoncow 14y ago
  doesn't DIRECTLY involve criminal penalty AS OF NOW.
  - deleted 14y ago
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  - bconway 14y ago
    Logical fallacy: Slippery Slope.
    - nitrogen 14y ago
      If you come into a debate that's been running for years and observe one extrapolation by one commenter, sure that may appear to be a slippery slope fallacy. In reality, the slippery slope is being actively implemented by the various media companies in a decades-long campaign of copyright maximalism. The periodic copyright term extensions, the DMCA, ACTA, TPP, lawsuits against end users, etc. are evidence of an ongoing effort to shift public perception and behavior. So no, it's not a fallacy in this case to expect the MPAA/RIAA to keep alternating between mild and extreme tactics, just as they have been doing. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window
    - willurd 14y ago
      You're misrepresenting the slippery slope fallacy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope). A slippery slope argument states that a relatively small first step leads to a chain of related events culminating in some significant effect. 6 strikes is neither a relatively small first step, nor is prosecuting people under it a grand leap (it's the next logical step). Slippery slope isn't a tool for dismissing any claims of cause and future effect, it is an informal rule for when claims of cause and future effect are permitted, namely when one can "demonstrate a process which leads to the significant effect". In this case, "language of the agreement between ISPs and the entertainment industry" (http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Six-Strikes-Official-Says-Nothing-Happens-After-Sixth-Strike-121693 http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Six-Strikes-Official-Says... and http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Will-ISP-Six-Strikes-Include-BitTorrent-Lawsuits-119981 http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Will-ISP-Six-Strikes-Incl...) clearly states that ISPs have the full authority to report 6 strikes offenders to copyright owners, should they choose to prosecute them: The Participating ISP will, however, continue to track and report the number of ISP Notices the Participating ISP receives for that Subscriber’s account, so that information is available to a Content Owner Representative if it elects to initiate a copyright infringement action against that Subscriber. No demonstration of said process is necessary because the right by IPSs and copyright holders to engage in this very process has been clearly reserved. Not a slippery slope.

by anoncow 14y ago

ishansharma 14y ago

I fully agree with you. I remember reading an article about how democracy is for ideal world which does not exist. In a perfect situation, we wold have representatives who understand people. But what we have is a large group of selfish people who take money from businesses and pass such stupid laws. They censor everything they can't understand or tht threatens their power in any way. Internet is one such medium as it increases information flow and power of people and decreases their!

AutoCorrect 14y ago
those that want power aren't fit to wield it, those fit to wield it don't want it.
- ishansharma 14y ago
  Spot on! I observe this thing in my university too. All the top students who have caliber to do something won't touch it because it involves too much bureaucracy and as a result, everything is done by, well, incompetent people who spread corruption! I guess it only grows when we go up in the chain.

thoughtcriminal 14y ago

To live the American dream, you need to be asleep.

sp332 14y ago

"6 strikes" doesn't make any new criminals. It's a voluntary deal with certain ISPs that doesn't (directly) involve criminal charges or civil lawsuits.

anoncow 14y ago
doesn't DIRECTLY involve criminal penalty AS OF NOW.
- deleted 14y ago
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- bconway 14y ago
  Logical fallacy: Slippery Slope.
  - nitrogen 14y ago
    If you come into a debate that's been running for years and observe one extrapolation by one commenter, sure that may appear to be a slippery slope fallacy. In reality, the slippery slope is being actively implemented by the various media companies in a decades-long campaign of copyright maximalism. The periodic copyright term extensions, the DMCA, ACTA, TPP, lawsuits against end users, etc. are evidence of an ongoing effort to shift public perception and behavior. So no, it's not a fallacy in this case to expect the MPAA/RIAA to keep alternating between mild and extreme tactics, just as they have been doing. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window
  - willurd 14y ago
    You're misrepresenting the slippery slope fallacy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope). A slippery slope argument states that a relatively small first step leads to a chain of related events culminating in some significant effect. 6 strikes is neither a relatively small first step, nor is prosecuting people under it a grand leap (it's the next logical step). Slippery slope isn't a tool for dismissing any claims of cause and future effect, it is an informal rule for when claims of cause and future effect are permitted, namely when one can "demonstrate a process which leads to the significant effect". In this case, "language of the agreement between ISPs and the entertainment industry" (http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Six-Strikes-Official-Says-Nothing-Happens-After-Sixth-Strike-121693 http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Six-Strikes-Official-Says... and http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Will-ISP-Six-Strikes-Include-BitTorrent-Lawsuits-119981 http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Will-ISP-Six-Strikes-Incl...) clearly states that ISPs have the full authority to report 6 strikes offenders to copyright owners, should they choose to prosecute them: The Participating ISP will, however, continue to track and report the number of ISP Notices the Participating ISP receives for that Subscriber’s account, so that information is available to a Content Owner Representative if it elects to initiate a copyright infringement action against that Subscriber. No demonstration of said process is necessary because the right by IPSs and copyright holders to engage in this very process has been clearly reserved. Not a slippery slope.