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Sure, vote me down. Keep the myth alive. The discovery described entailed new ghettos, forced labor camps, etc. In other words, it's not about new killing cent

Sure, vote me down. Keep the myth alive. The discovery described entailed new ghettos, forced labor camps, etc. In other words, it's not about new killing centers, and as such NOT about the Holocaust in the typical sense of the word. Do read on in the link I supplied please: "Many camps were built quickly by civilian contractors during the summer of 1942 based on designs for military barracks, making the buildings poorly equipped for cramped family living. To describe the conditions in more detail, the Heart Mountain War Relocation Center in northwestern Wyoming was a barbed-wire-surrounded enclave with unpartitioned toilets, cots for beds, and a budget of 45 cents daily per capita for food rations.[67] Because most internees were evacuated from their West Coast homes on short notice and not told of their assigned destinations, many failed to pack appropriate clothing for Wyoming winters which often reached temperatures below 0 degrees Fahrenheit (−18 degrees Celsius). Many families were forced to simply take the "clothes on their backs." Armed guards were posted at the camps, which were all in remote, desolate areas far from population centers." In short: the new sites discovered were in many ways JUST like the Japanese internment camps (and vice versa), where Japanese people, often citizens of the USA, were kept against their will.

NoPiece 14y ago
The internment was bad, but magnitude of the holocaust is so much worse that they are not comparable. From your wiki link: "A number of persons died or suffered for lack of medical care, and several were killed by sentries; James Wakasa, for instance, was killed at Topaz War Relocation Center, near the perimeter wire." To compare to: "Of the nine million Jews who had resided in Europe before the Holocaust, approximately two-thirds were killed.[5] Over one million Jewish children were killed in the Holocaust, as were approximately two million Jewish women and three million Jewish men." You say: "the new sites discovered were in many ways JUST like the Japanese internment camps" and the article says: "The documented camps include not only “killing centers” but also thousands of forced labor camps, where prisoners manufactured war supplies; prisoner-of-war camps; sites euphemistically named “care” centers, where pregnant women were forced to have abortions or their babies were killed after birth; and brothels, where women were coerced into having sex with German military personnel." Your sense of morality is totally broken if you can't differentiate these things.
- notlisted 14y ago
  Did you even notice the response I responded to? Flexie: "They must have really wanted it as a society and hundreds of thousands must have been involved, one way or another. That's not the work of just a few crazy fanatics." My point: terrible things were done right here, families uprooted, lives destroyed, hunger, fear, people stored in camps, in our own free country, with millions of witnesses, and yet... these crazy things happened, because society was told by those in charge that it was appropriate to do so. Several years later we bombed 100k people to their deaths by fire (Tokyo). Tokyo was just one of 67 cities that was bombed with napalm (before we threw the nuclear stuff). McNamara's comment on the bombing was this: LeMay said that "If we'd lost the war, we'd all have been prosecuted as war criminals." "And I think he's right," says McNamara. "He, and I'd say I, were behaving as war criminals." . . . "LeMay recognized that what he was doing would be thought immoral if his side has lost. But what makes it immoral if you lose and not immoral if you win?" Keep on believing!
  - NoPiece 14y ago
    Let me ask you an honest question - why do you even feel the need to bring up Japanese internment in the context of and article on the Holocaust? Do you want to lessen the horror of the Holocaust, or do you really think the US behaved morally like Nazis in WWII?
    - justin66 14y ago
      It's a natural enough thing to do, and not for some misguided reason of moral equivalence. The striking thing about Nazi Germany is that it happened, and that people not too different than us let it happen. If your interest in studying this stuff is thinking about how we all keep it from happening again, studying comparable events - especially ones that happened right here - is potentially important. I could elaborate but it really feels like I'm just stating the obvious.
      - NoPiece 14y ago
        But it isn't natural when the comment is based a misguided moral equivalence. And my point is that they are not comparable. It is as bad as if someone posted a story on Manzanar, and someone replied "Kind of like when my parents made go to sleepaway camp." That would be an insulting to the Japanese internees.

NoPiece 14y ago

The internment was bad, but magnitude of the holocaust is so much worse that they are not comparable. From your wiki link: "A number of persons died or suffered for lack of medical care, and several were killed by sentries; James Wakasa, for instance, was killed at Topaz War Relocation Center, near the perimeter wire." To compare to: "Of the nine million Jews who had resided in Europe before the Holocaust, approximately two-thirds were killed.[5] Over one million Jewish children were killed in the Holocaust, as were approximately two million Jewish women and three million Jewish men." You say: "the new sites discovered were in many ways JUST like the Japanese internment camps" and the article says: "The documented camps include not only “killing centers” but also thousands of forced labor camps, where prisoners manufactured war supplies; prisoner-of-war camps; sites euphemistically named “care” centers, where pregnant women were forced to have abortions or their babies were killed after birth; and brothels, where women were coerced into having sex with German military personnel." Your sense of morality is totally broken if you can't differentiate these things.

notlisted 14y ago
Did you even notice the response I responded to? Flexie: "They must have really wanted it as a society and hundreds of thousands must have been involved, one way or another. That's not the work of just a few crazy fanatics." My point: terrible things were done right here, families uprooted, lives destroyed, hunger, fear, people stored in camps, in our own free country, with millions of witnesses, and yet... these crazy things happened, because society was told by those in charge that it was appropriate to do so. Several years later we bombed 100k people to their deaths by fire (Tokyo). Tokyo was just one of 67 cities that was bombed with napalm (before we threw the nuclear stuff). McNamara's comment on the bombing was this: LeMay said that "If we'd lost the war, we'd all have been prosecuted as war criminals." "And I think he's right," says McNamara. "He, and I'd say I, were behaving as war criminals." . . . "LeMay recognized that what he was doing would be thought immoral if his side has lost. But what makes it immoral if you lose and not immoral if you win?" Keep on believing!
- NoPiece 14y ago
  Let me ask you an honest question - why do you even feel the need to bring up Japanese internment in the context of and article on the Holocaust? Do you want to lessen the horror of the Holocaust, or do you really think the US behaved morally like Nazis in WWII?
  - justin66 14y ago
    It's a natural enough thing to do, and not for some misguided reason of moral equivalence. The striking thing about Nazi Germany is that it happened, and that people not too different than us let it happen. If your interest in studying this stuff is thinking about how we all keep it from happening again, studying comparable events - especially ones that happened right here - is potentially important. I could elaborate but it really feels like I'm just stating the obvious.
    - NoPiece 14y ago
      But it isn't natural when the comment is based a misguided moral equivalence. And my point is that they are not comparable. It is as bad as if someone posted a story on Manzanar, and someone replied "Kind of like when my parents made go to sleepaway camp." That would be an insulting to the Japanese internees.