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Why not just use jikl instead if you don't want to lift your hand to move to the arrow keys. I am kind of tired of seeing this obsession with trying to get ever

by cdash 14y ago

Why not just use jikl instead if you don't want to lift your hand to move to the arrow keys. I am kind of tired of seeing this obsession with trying to get everyone to use hjkl which just doesn't make any actual sense. I totally get the point about the arrow keys requiring you to lift your hand but you can accomplish the same arrow key logic while keeping your hand in the same place.

enoch_r 14y ago
Generally when people advocate using hjkl, they're doing so: A: for use within vim (where "i" has another meaning already), or B: for people who have a long history using vim and are already used to the hjkl paradigm, or C: (most often) both. I'm really not sure why you would get tired of this "obsession." No one is telling you to use hjkl unless you're using vim.
- smosher 14y ago
  > I'm really not sure why you would get tired of this "obsession." It's annoying when you spot this kind of thing about 6 times a year. FWIW today I also spotted a story about how you shouldn't be using hjkl.
  - Kluny 14y ago
    Hey, we're hackers. We only have strong opinions.
vacri 14y ago
'i' already has a function in vim - one of the most frequently used ones.
- arthulia 14y ago
  He makes a good point though. You could switch insert to the h key and do it this way. Upsides: - ijkl is easier for users learning vim. - don't have to shift your fingers over to h key Downsides - rebind insert to h (not really a big deal) - middle finger is now responsible for up and down (I honestly don't see this having much effect on efficiency) I'm tempted to try this, but I hate the feeling of not being familiar with a vanilla config. What if I have to use somebody else's machine?
  - vacri 14y ago
    The issue with rebinding is that you'll only encounter your bindings on your machine. If you're frequently on machines that don't have your custom profile, that's an issue. I'm having trouble getting off the arrow keys myself - because they work regardless of whether you're in insert mode or not...
    - arthulia 14y ago
      > The issue with rebinding is that you'll only encounter your bindings on your machine. If you're frequently on machines that don't have your custom profile, that's an issue. I mentioned that at the end of my post.
      - vacri 14y ago
        Weird, not sure how I missed it. Sorry.
- Kluny 14y ago
  I would argue that a is just as good, or better, than i.
raylu 14y ago
There are a lot of other tools that use hjkl. Most commonly `less`, but also pentadactyl (http://5digits.org/ http://5digits.org/) and a lot of tiling window managers.

by cdash 14y ago

enoch_r 14y ago

Generally when people advocate using hjkl, they're doing so: A: for use within vim (where "i" has another meaning already), or B: for people who have a long history using vim and are already used to the hjkl paradigm, or C: (most often) both. I'm really not sure why you would get tired of this "obsession." No one is telling you to use hjkl unless you're using vim.

smosher 14y ago
> I'm really not sure why you would get tired of this "obsession." It's annoying when you spot this kind of thing about 6 times a year. FWIW today I also spotted a story about how you shouldn't be using hjkl.
- Kluny 14y ago
  Hey, we're hackers. We only have strong opinions.

vacri 14y ago

'i' already has a function in vim - one of the most frequently used ones.

arthulia 14y ago
He makes a good point though. You could switch insert to the h key and do it this way. Upsides: - ijkl is easier for users learning vim. - don't have to shift your fingers over to h key Downsides - rebind insert to h (not really a big deal) - middle finger is now responsible for up and down (I honestly don't see this having much effect on efficiency) I'm tempted to try this, but I hate the feeling of not being familiar with a vanilla config. What if I have to use somebody else's machine?
- vacri 14y ago
  The issue with rebinding is that you'll only encounter your bindings on your machine. If you're frequently on machines that don't have your custom profile, that's an issue. I'm having trouble getting off the arrow keys myself - because they work regardless of whether you're in insert mode or not...
  - arthulia 14y ago
    > The issue with rebinding is that you'll only encounter your bindings on your machine. If you're frequently on machines that don't have your custom profile, that's an issue. I mentioned that at the end of my post.
    - vacri 14y ago
      Weird, not sure how I missed it. Sorry.
Kluny 14y ago
I would argue that a is just as good, or better, than i.

raylu 14y ago

There are a lot of other tools that use hjkl. Most commonly `less`, but also pentadactyl (http://5digits.org/ http://5digits.org/) and a lot of tiling window managers.