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So you sacrifice usability for how pretty you find the IDE's gui? I don't know what others do, but I actually hide the toolbars in my IDEs (I use several JetBr

So you sacrifice usability for how pretty you find the IDE's gui? I don't know what others do, but I actually hide the toolbars in my IDEs (I use several JetBrains products: PyCharm and IntelliJ mostly, PHPStorm and RubyMine to a lesser extent.) PyCharm actually received a facelift recently that I hope finds its way to the other products as well. All JetBrians products ship with several skins (ctrl+tilde brings up the menu) and I've never found any trouble getting them the way I want. I do find XCode (which is my go-to editor for C and C++ not being an ObjectiveC developer myself) to be a very good looking IDE but personally, I'd never sacrifice function. It's just too important. IMHO, of course.

lobster_johnson 14y ago
No, I do not. Xcode is also native (although not very pretty), but it is a horrible IDE. I use Sublime for my ObjC coding, although I am forced to use Xcode for some things that ST cannot do, like adding files to a project, editing compilation flags or working with .xib and Core Data .momd files. It's a compromise. IDEA is too ugly to use, Sublime lacks some features but is great in most areas.
- encoderer 14y ago
  Not to debate you, because hey, it's your perogative. But I want to just ask this though and give you the last word with it: Given that many of the features you're talking about actually do exist in IntelliJ, etc, doesn't that mean that yes, you are sacrificing function for form?
  - lobster_johnson 14y ago
    Yes, it's a compromise. It's not all about function, or all about form. If ST is 90% beautiful, and IDEA is 0% beautiful, then I will choose Sublime even if it's 5% less functional. There are other factors at play such as speed; Sublime is lightning fast, IDEA is not. And afaik, IDEA does not support Sublime-style multiple carets.
    - cytzol 14y ago
      It really depends on what you're doing. For me (Java), IDEA is about 50% beautiful but 500% functional, and that's what leaves me with it.

lobster_johnson 14y ago

No, I do not. Xcode is also native (although not very pretty), but it is a horrible IDE. I use Sublime for my ObjC coding, although I am forced to use Xcode for some things that ST cannot do, like adding files to a project, editing compilation flags or working with .xib and Core Data .momd files. It's a compromise. IDEA is too ugly to use, Sublime lacks some features but is great in most areas.

encoderer 14y ago
Not to debate you, because hey, it's your perogative. But I want to just ask this though and give you the last word with it: Given that many of the features you're talking about actually do exist in IntelliJ, etc, doesn't that mean that yes, you are sacrificing function for form?
- lobster_johnson 14y ago
  Yes, it's a compromise. It's not all about function, or all about form. If ST is 90% beautiful, and IDEA is 0% beautiful, then I will choose Sublime even if it's 5% less functional. There are other factors at play such as speed; Sublime is lightning fast, IDEA is not. And afaik, IDEA does not support Sublime-style multiple carets.
  - cytzol 14y ago
    It really depends on what you're doing. For me (Java), IDEA is about 50% beautiful but 500% functional, and that's what leaves me with it.