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It doesn't presently prompt to renew — it just says that there's a conflict and doesn't tell you which settings panel might be helpful. Only a very tiny subset

It doesn't presently prompt to renew — it just says that there's a conflict and doesn't tell you which settings panel might be helpful. Only a very tiny subset of users will actually try to reconfigure their router or make other such changes as the result of this information. Options requiring a prompt before automatic renewal would be great for those users, but it's not relevant in 99%+ of cases.

TazeTSchnitzel 14y ago
No, they're relevant in far more than <1% of csses. Forgotten DHCP renewal is not the only reason that IP address conflicts happen.
- PuercoPop 14y ago
  But that doesn't mean that alongside the warning the computer can't try to get a new IP address by itself, even if it won't fix the problem 100% of the time.
  - raylu 14y ago
    No. If something is wrong with the current network config, don't automatically muck around with it so that I can't troubleshoot the problem myself. It's important to understand the current state to figure out how you got into that broken state; kind of like a breakpoint at the first exception. Automatically renewing is like 'On Error Goto Next'. That said, I agree that it should suggest renewing the DHCP lease.
    - katbyte 14y ago
      Well if the current network config is set to simply use DHCP, then renewing DHCP is a pretty safe move. If the DHCP is set to serve a static IP for the MAC, the problem will presist, if the DHCP server is dynamic it will just do what its desgined to do and assign a unused address fixing the problem while not changing the network configuration at all.
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    - PuercoPop 14y ago
      For good product usability, being proactive, and getting 80% of the use cases right is much more important than being making no mistake and shift the decision (and blame) to the user. Especially since most of the time the user has no technical background to make the correct decisions. I used to think like you until I read The Inmates are running the Assylum[0]. I still do for my personal workflow (that is why I prefer archlinux to ubuntu), but I try to be proactive in the error catching in the software I write. [0]: http://www.amazon.com/The-Inmates-Are-Running-Asylum/dp/0672326140/ref=sr_1_sc_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1362174972&sr=8-1-spell&keywords=the+inmantes+are+running+the+assylum http://www.amazon.com/The-Inmates-Are-Running-Asylum/dp/0672...

TazeTSchnitzel 14y ago

No, they're relevant in far more than <1% of csses. Forgotten DHCP renewal is not the only reason that IP address conflicts happen.

PuercoPop 14y ago
But that doesn't mean that alongside the warning the computer can't try to get a new IP address by itself, even if it won't fix the problem 100% of the time.
- raylu 14y ago
  No. If something is wrong with the current network config, don't automatically muck around with it so that I can't troubleshoot the problem myself. It's important to understand the current state to figure out how you got into that broken state; kind of like a breakpoint at the first exception. Automatically renewing is like 'On Error Goto Next'. That said, I agree that it should suggest renewing the DHCP lease.
  - katbyte 14y ago
    Well if the current network config is set to simply use DHCP, then renewing DHCP is a pretty safe move. If the DHCP is set to serve a static IP for the MAC, the problem will presist, if the DHCP server is dynamic it will just do what its desgined to do and assign a unused address fixing the problem while not changing the network configuration at all.
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  - PuercoPop 14y ago
    For good product usability, being proactive, and getting 80% of the use cases right is much more important than being making no mistake and shift the decision (and blame) to the user. Especially since most of the time the user has no technical background to make the correct decisions. I used to think like you until I read The Inmates are running the Assylum[0]. I still do for my personal workflow (that is why I prefer archlinux to ubuntu), but I try to be proactive in the error catching in the software I write. [0]: http://www.amazon.com/The-Inmates-Are-Running-Asylum/dp/0672326140/ref=sr_1_sc_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1362174972&sr=8-1-spell&keywords=the+inmantes+are+running+the+assylum http://www.amazon.com/The-Inmates-Are-Running-Asylum/dp/0672...