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Canadian government introduces ACTA compliance bill

84 points by jhack 14y ago

FreeKill 14y ago
Wow, I can't believe they are still going forward with this. Hopefully Canadians continue to speak up on Copyright issues, and make sure unpopular bills remain so for a reason...
- scrabble 14y ago
  To be frank, with the current government being a majority it doesn't really matter what Canadians do or say. Our prime minister will see to it that whatever he wants to pass will pass. What we need to do is make sure that he gets replaced next election, and that a lot of the changes he's implemented are removed.
  - FreeKill 14y ago
    I agree that he has to go, but I disagree that us being active will have little affect. Due directly to complaints, we killed off the first 2 versions of their copyright change bills and their attempt to implement warrant-less wire-tapping. These things have a bad habit of coming back again (like right now) but voicing your opinion definitely helps to sway the conversation and hopefully send them back to the drawing board...
    - bct 14y ago
      The last 2 copyright reform bills (that I'm aware of - one circa 2008 and one circa 2012?) were both put forth by minority governments.
      - FreeKill 14y ago
        True, but they both got significantly revised before coming back in the final form, that passed last year, due to pressure.
        bct 14y ago
        That's the point: the pressure was only effective because they were put forth by minority governments. Majority governments have a much freer hand.
purephase 14y ago
I (naively) hoped that this wouldn't re-surface but now that it has, I'm not surprised. Harper and Co. are steadfast in toadying up to Washington and Co. and seem to not only disregard the numerous times similar legislation has been shot down, but the fact that almost this exact same legislation has been shot down everywhere but the US. This in particular is politics at it's worst and anyone that actually uses this line should be ashamed of themselves: "The bill will likely be promoted as protecting public health, however, there is a danger that the provisions could be used to stop the entry of legitimate generic medicines." Right out of the US playbook.
- corresation 14y ago
  Harper and Co. are steadfast in toadying up to Washington and Co. Such partisanship is not necessary: ALL Canadian parties toady up to the US, given that it's 10x our size and are our overwhelmingly dominant trading partner.
  - RyanMcGreal 14y ago
    Some toady a lot more than others.
  - graeme 14y ago
    Err....do you remember the Iraq war? We weren't in it. Harper demanded that we enter. That was a pretty big deal at the time. The other parties do toady, but there has been a significant increase in toadying under this government. They believe in what they're doing. I do recall there was a fair bit of Americanized copyright legislation under the liberals though. It just kept failing to pass due to frequent changes of government near the end.
    - corresation 14y ago
      Err....do you remember the Iraq war? We weren't in it. Harper demanded that we enter. Firstly, the opposition generally will be against whatever the party in office does. However to your actual example, while that is the standard revisionism, it's completely wrong. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-qx6fwn8XM&noredirect=1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-qx6fwn8XM&noredirect=1 Harper didn't demand that we were in it. He demanded that we be honest about what we were doing in Iraq. At the same time the Liberals proudly promised that they were working overtime to convince the UN Security Council to allow the invasion of Iraq, at which point we would be in there guns in hand. So compare that to what you just said (I don't blame you as it is the completely standard narrative). -We were in Iraq -We were working all channels to get the UN to sanction the war -Then we would be in the war

84 points by jhack 14y ago

Wow, I can't believe they are still going forward with this. Hopefully Canadians continue to speak up on Copyright issues, and make sure unpopular bills remain so for a reason...

scrabble 14y ago
To be frank, with the current government being a majority it doesn't really matter what Canadians do or say. Our prime minister will see to it that whatever he wants to pass will pass. What we need to do is make sure that he gets replaced next election, and that a lot of the changes he's implemented are removed.
- FreeKill 14y ago
  I agree that he has to go, but I disagree that us being active will have little affect. Due directly to complaints, we killed off the first 2 versions of their copyright change bills and their attempt to implement warrant-less wire-tapping. These things have a bad habit of coming back again (like right now) but voicing your opinion definitely helps to sway the conversation and hopefully send them back to the drawing board...
  - bct 14y ago
    The last 2 copyright reform bills (that I'm aware of - one circa 2008 and one circa 2012?) were both put forth by minority governments.
    - FreeKill 14y ago
      True, but they both got significantly revised before coming back in the final form, that passed last year, due to pressure.
      - bct 14y ago
        That's the point: the pressure was only effective because they were put forth by minority governments. Majority governments have a much freer hand.

purephase 14y ago

I (naively) hoped that this wouldn't re-surface but now that it has, I'm not surprised. Harper and Co. are steadfast in toadying up to Washington and Co. and seem to not only disregard the numerous times similar legislation has been shot down, but the fact that almost this exact same legislation has been shot down everywhere but the US. This in particular is politics at it's worst and anyone that actually uses this line should be ashamed of themselves: "The bill will likely be promoted as protecting public health, however, there is a danger that the provisions could be used to stop the entry of legitimate generic medicines." Right out of the US playbook.

corresation 14y ago
Harper and Co. are steadfast in toadying up to Washington and Co. Such partisanship is not necessary: ALL Canadian parties toady up to the US, given that it's 10x our size and are our overwhelmingly dominant trading partner.
- RyanMcGreal 14y ago
  Some toady a lot more than others.
- graeme 14y ago
  Err....do you remember the Iraq war? We weren't in it. Harper demanded that we enter. That was a pretty big deal at the time. The other parties do toady, but there has been a significant increase in toadying under this government. They believe in what they're doing. I do recall there was a fair bit of Americanized copyright legislation under the liberals though. It just kept failing to pass due to frequent changes of government near the end.
  - corresation 14y ago
    Err....do you remember the Iraq war? We weren't in it. Harper demanded that we enter. Firstly, the opposition generally will be against whatever the party in office does. However to your actual example, while that is the standard revisionism, it's completely wrong. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-qx6fwn8XM&noredirect=1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-qx6fwn8XM&noredirect=1 Harper didn't demand that we were in it. He demanded that we be honest about what we were doing in Iraq. At the same time the Liberals proudly promised that they were working overtime to convince the UN Security Council to allow the invasion of Iraq, at which point we would be in there guns in hand. So compare that to what you just said (I don't blame you as it is the completely standard narrative). -We were in Iraq -We were working all channels to get the UN to sanction the war -Then we would be in the war