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HN question: I submitted this story with the title "Heroku f.cking console" and the title was changed to "Heroku console". Is the string "f.cking" considered u

by eik3_de 14y ago

HN question: I submitted this story with the title "Heroku f.cking console" and the title was changed to "Heroku console". Is the string "f.cking" considered unappropriate on HN? What about "f.,.ing" or "f'ing"? Edit: replaced the asterisks with "." and "," for formatdoc Edit: has been changed to "Heroku Fucking Console" at 19:02Z. I approve!

eik3_de 14y ago
oops, formatdoc ate my asterisks. Here's what the text was: http://hastebin.com/raw/legapecike http://hastebin.com/raw/legapecike
bentaber 14y ago
That title edit drastically reduced the relevance to the article.
- eik3_de 14y ago
  That's what I thought. If the f word had to be edited out, why not something like "Heroku [curse word] console"
car54whereareu 14y ago
Yes and when it happened I thought a negative story about a heroku feature was replaced by a positive one, which made it all the more interesting to click and investigate.
nawitus 14y ago
This is what I hate most about American websites. They all have this neoconservative(?) idea that curse words are fucking horrible. We're all adults here (well, 99% of us), nobody is going to die from seeing a few curse words here and there. The problem is that this American morality is enforced to everyone internationally, as such a high portion of high-traffic websites are American. And it's not just about cursewords, it's this sick censorship of women's breasts, nudity and sex in general. Communication on the internet is switching to a small number of mostly American social media websites like Facebook. If Facebook bans certain expression of thought or certain types of media/pictures, then that decision has pretty widespread effects. Even worse, when exposed to this kind of thinking, other countries will slowly start to adopt it. On the other hand, other countries would enforce a different kind of morals more (like censorship related to racism and religion). I love it when some sites make exceptions, like Tumblr (or Reddit in the past).
- ceejayoz 14y ago
  I'd say neopuritan, not neoconservative. Neoconservative generally refers to the right-wing movement that advocates military interference overseas (i.e. Afghanistan, Iraq).
- niggler 14y ago
  sometimes people sprinkle 'fucking' or 'shit' or other words as if its salt. then fuckers shit fucking dia-motherfucking-tribes ass if fuckers fucking make fucking money and bitches from fucking using fucking fuck words, and suddenly discourse breaks down. It's not that the words are bad, but some people take it too far. Especially on the internet, where some people erroneously believe in the anonymity of pseudonyms
  - nawitus 14y ago
    I agree with your sentiment, as curse words should be used sparingly. However, a better solution is "bottom-up" moderation, not a top-down site-wide ban on something. This is essentially important in social media websites where subcommunities exist. Different subcommunities should be able to have different rules about these things. (This doesn't apply to YCombinator, though).
    - BrianEatWorld 14y ago
      For HN, I just assumed it was because it sets the tone for the discussion. By moderating profanity, it helps keep it out of the discussions and so you get more civil debate on HN than on other sites.
- tunesmith 14y ago
  Hey look, it's an anti-american screed! Anyway, a lot of people object to the overuse of the word "fucking" simply because they've grown out of it. I'm all for artfully dropping it in from time to time for well-placed effect, but it can easily become a crutch used by those too lazy to consult their inner thesaurus. It's sort of shorthand for "I really mean it, which makes it more true!" Although it's arguably true that this particular tool takes it around the bend enough that it starts becoming funny again. Wait, I mean it's FUCKING true. :-)
eik3_de 14y ago
There have been several story titles with the unmasked, literal "f" word: http://www.hnsearch.com/search#request/submissions&q=f*cking&sortby=points+desc I'd just like to know: Why was this title changed? Would a majority of the admins be in favor of this?
ceejayoz 14y ago
Looks like someone undid the change.
niggler 14y ago
My favorite is assh*le, for which the asterisk covers up the least profane part of the word.
- duck 14y ago
  It covers the hole though.
  - rquantz 14y ago
    Or does it just resemble one?
a_p 14y ago
I posted this comment about obscenities on another thread recently, but I think it is relevant to this thread as well. "According to Paul Fussell's Class: A Guide Through the American Status System, aversion to profanity is a middle class thing. The upper class[1] do not use euphemisms for profanity or obscenity. Fussell wrote that Jilly Cooper reported "I once overheard my son regaling his friends: 'Mummy says pardon is a much worse word than fuck.'" I doubt that many members of the upper class (see Fussell's book for a definition of upper class, it is roughly the tastes of "old money" but not dependent upon actual wealth) read Hacker News. It is likely that those who do not object to obscenities such as the word "fuck" are more socially liberal freethinkers who dislike formality. Those who do object are likely to be members of the middle class who believe (foolishly) that in censoring profanities and vulgarities, they are emulating the upper class." https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5299882 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5299882

by eik3_de 14y ago

eik3_de 14y ago

oops, formatdoc ate my asterisks. Here's what the text was: http://hastebin.com/raw/legapecike http://hastebin.com/raw/legapecike

bentaber 14y ago

That title edit drastically reduced the relevance to the article.

eik3_de 14y ago
That's what I thought. If the f word had to be edited out, why not something like "Heroku [curse word] console"

car54whereareu 14y ago

Yes and when it happened I thought a negative story about a heroku feature was replaced by a positive one, which made it all the more interesting to click and investigate.

nawitus 14y ago

This is what I hate most about American websites. They all have this neoconservative(?) idea that curse words are fucking horrible. We're all adults here (well, 99% of us), nobody is going to die from seeing a few curse words here and there. The problem is that this American morality is enforced to everyone internationally, as such a high portion of high-traffic websites are American. And it's not just about cursewords, it's this sick censorship of women's breasts, nudity and sex in general. Communication on the internet is switching to a small number of mostly American social media websites like Facebook. If Facebook bans certain expression of thought or certain types of media/pictures, then that decision has pretty widespread effects. Even worse, when exposed to this kind of thinking, other countries will slowly start to adopt it. On the other hand, other countries would enforce a different kind of morals more (like censorship related to racism and religion). I love it when some sites make exceptions, like Tumblr (or Reddit in the past).

ceejayoz 14y ago
I'd say neopuritan, not neoconservative. Neoconservative generally refers to the right-wing movement that advocates military interference overseas (i.e. Afghanistan, Iraq).
niggler 14y ago
sometimes people sprinkle 'fucking' or 'shit' or other words as if its salt. then fuckers shit fucking dia-motherfucking-tribes ass if fuckers fucking make fucking money and bitches from fucking using fucking fuck words, and suddenly discourse breaks down. It's not that the words are bad, but some people take it too far. Especially on the internet, where some people erroneously believe in the anonymity of pseudonyms
- nawitus 14y ago
  I agree with your sentiment, as curse words should be used sparingly. However, a better solution is "bottom-up" moderation, not a top-down site-wide ban on something. This is essentially important in social media websites where subcommunities exist. Different subcommunities should be able to have different rules about these things. (This doesn't apply to YCombinator, though).
  - BrianEatWorld 14y ago
    For HN, I just assumed it was because it sets the tone for the discussion. By moderating profanity, it helps keep it out of the discussions and so you get more civil debate on HN than on other sites.
tunesmith 14y ago
Hey look, it's an anti-american screed! Anyway, a lot of people object to the overuse of the word "fucking" simply because they've grown out of it. I'm all for artfully dropping it in from time to time for well-placed effect, but it can easily become a crutch used by those too lazy to consult their inner thesaurus. It's sort of shorthand for "I really mean it, which makes it more true!" Although it's arguably true that this particular tool takes it around the bend enough that it starts becoming funny again. Wait, I mean it's FUCKING true. :-)

eik3_de 14y ago

There have been several story titles with the unmasked, literal "f" word: http://www.hnsearch.com/search#request/submissions&q=f*cking&sortby=points+desc I'd just like to know: Why was this title changed? Would a majority of the admins be in favor of this?

ceejayoz 14y ago

Looks like someone undid the change.

niggler 14y ago

My favorite is assh*le, for which the asterisk covers up the least profane part of the word.

duck 14y ago
It covers the hole though.
- rquantz 14y ago
  Or does it just resemble one?

a_p 14y ago

I posted this comment about obscenities on another thread recently, but I think it is relevant to this thread as well. "According to Paul Fussell's Class: A Guide Through the American Status System, aversion to profanity is a middle class thing. The upper class[1] do not use euphemisms for profanity or obscenity. Fussell wrote that Jilly Cooper reported "I once overheard my son regaling his friends: 'Mummy says pardon is a much worse word than fuck.'" I doubt that many members of the upper class (see Fussell's book for a definition of upper class, it is roughly the tastes of "old money" but not dependent upon actual wealth) read Hacker News. It is likely that those who do not object to obscenities such as the word "fuck" are more socially liberal freethinkers who dislike formality. Those who do object are likely to be members of the middle class who believe (foolishly) that in censoring profanities and vulgarities, they are emulating the upper class." https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5299882 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5299882