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News alert to the uninformed about military conflict. Innocent people die when you go to war. Bradley Manning just leaked one instance of human error that caus

News alert to the uninformed about military conflict. Innocent people die when you go to war. Bradley Manning just leaked one instance of human error that caused innocent people to die. Now he will spend much of his life in prison. No idea why people call this guy a hero. If you read any history of any war, innocent people die because of human error.

camus 14y ago
drone killings is not war , it is state terrorism.
- chc 14y ago
  Why is it "war" if done by humans holding machines and "state terrorism" if done by humans controlling machines from a greater distance?
  - jlgreco 14y ago
    Why is it "terror" if done with airplanes and "war" if done by humans holding machine guns?
    - chc 14y ago
      Killing people with airplanes is not categorically known as "terror" rather than "war." Lots of people were killed with airplanes in World War I, but while it was terrifying, WWI is pretty universally known as a war. So I don't take your point.
nym 14y ago
"Sunlight is the best disinfectant" --U.S. Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis Would we really go to war if we knew the true extent of human suffering? Maybe, but visibility to such suffering at least allows people to feel sympathy, instead of simply being ignorant to suffering.
- MysticFear 14y ago
  So we should have updated detailed progress on our investigation of Osama Bin Laden and other criminals? Upload our latest nuclear technology as how-to videos on youtube? "Sunlight is the best disinfectant" --U.S. Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis Look a Supreme Court justice agrees with that because I put an out of context quote from him.
- GHFigs 14y ago
  News reports describing the hundreds of innocent people intentionally murdered by the sort of people the US and its allies are fighting against appear on a weekly basis. The suffering has not been invisible: it just doesn't mean what people want it to mean. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_January–June_2013 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_Ja...
jonknee 14y ago
He also leaked a trove of diplomatic communications that revealed corruption all over the world. I'd imagine many in Tunisia would consider Manning a hero.
rayiner 14y ago
> No idea why people call this guy a hero. If you read any history of any war, innocent people die because of human error. You mostly don't read about innocent people dying in war. It's expected and nobody really cares. History books talk about how amazing the Roman or British empires were. When did you ever read anything more than vague lip-service about all the killing of innocent people that involved?

camus 14y ago

drone killings is not war , it is state terrorism.

chc 14y ago
Why is it "war" if done by humans holding machines and "state terrorism" if done by humans controlling machines from a greater distance?
- jlgreco 14y ago
  Why is it "terror" if done with airplanes and "war" if done by humans holding machine guns?
  - chc 14y ago
    Killing people with airplanes is not categorically known as "terror" rather than "war." Lots of people were killed with airplanes in World War I, but while it was terrifying, WWI is pretty universally known as a war. So I don't take your point.

nym 14y ago

"Sunlight is the best disinfectant" --U.S. Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis Would we really go to war if we knew the true extent of human suffering? Maybe, but visibility to such suffering at least allows people to feel sympathy, instead of simply being ignorant to suffering.

MysticFear 14y ago
So we should have updated detailed progress on our investigation of Osama Bin Laden and other criminals? Upload our latest nuclear technology as how-to videos on youtube? "Sunlight is the best disinfectant" --U.S. Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis Look a Supreme Court justice agrees with that because I put an out of context quote from him.
GHFigs 14y ago
News reports describing the hundreds of innocent people intentionally murdered by the sort of people the US and its allies are fighting against appear on a weekly basis. The suffering has not been invisible: it just doesn't mean what people want it to mean. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_January–June_2013 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_Ja...

jonknee 14y ago

He also leaked a trove of diplomatic communications that revealed corruption all over the world. I'd imagine many in Tunisia would consider Manning a hero.

rayiner 14y ago

> No idea why people call this guy a hero. If you read any history of any war, innocent people die because of human error. You mostly don't read about innocent people dying in war. It's expected and nobody really cares. History books talk about how amazing the Roman or British empires were. When did you ever read anything more than vague lip-service about all the killing of innocent people that involved?