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To make it more likely to be accepted, the proposal for the EU project contained basically every feature under the sun a language could have. How common is thi

To make it more likely to be accepted, the proposal for the EU project contained basically every feature under the sun a language could have. How common is this in EU projects?

ajuc 14y ago
Very, at least in the education funding. There are courses (financed by EU, of course) that teach you how to write proposals for EU projects, to make it seem more in line with expectations of the "program" you want to finance your project. They basically say "you have to put 'developing intelectual capital among unemployed people in the countryside' there, that is more likely to get you the money. You may do a few free courses for 50 people on whatever in that building after it's finished, and it will be OK. And while your're at it buy projector and laptop for that courses too, and put it in costs". And the building is intended as library or sth, but to get money you add whatever you can. EU money on education are wasted so much. On the other hand infrastructural funds are handled more or less OK.
- haddr 14y ago
  guy working on several EU research projects here. That's barely true. Although there is some certain amount of buzzwords in every proposal (that's kind of bread an butter for tech people anyway), they are far from what OP says. Sometimes there is some overpromising, but those things are usually secondary aspects, rather than the core idea. Most of the results are beeing used as some developed components by participating companies, some of the work is dropped, and a lot of work is open sourced and few projects are really successful. But that's research anyway. Not all work lead to success here.
  - opminion 14y ago
    Perhaps it depends on the type of project? I see two very different views here: one thing is to have technical jargon that looks like buzzwords to the uninitiated, another is to have to include, in the proposal, features that you won't implement so that the project is accepted, as mentioned in the original post.
    - apendleton 14y ago
      I don't think that's it, so much as offering to implement, and actually implementing (at least in a half-assed way) features that you don't actually want, to make the proposal more attractive.
fijal 14y ago
I can't speak about the EU projects in general, but chances are we overdid it and it's not 100% clear if it increased or decreased our chances.

To make it more likely to be accepted, the proposal for the EU project contained basically every feature under the sun a language could have. How common is this in EU projects?

ajuc 14y ago

Very, at least in the education funding. There are courses (financed by EU, of course) that teach you how to write proposals for EU projects, to make it seem more in line with expectations of the "program" you want to finance your project. They basically say "you have to put 'developing intelectual capital among unemployed people in the countryside' there, that is more likely to get you the money. You may do a few free courses for 50 people on whatever in that building after it's finished, and it will be OK. And while your're at it buy projector and laptop for that courses too, and put it in costs". And the building is intended as library or sth, but to get money you add whatever you can. EU money on education are wasted so much. On the other hand infrastructural funds are handled more or less OK.

haddr 14y ago
guy working on several EU research projects here. That's barely true. Although there is some certain amount of buzzwords in every proposal (that's kind of bread an butter for tech people anyway), they are far from what OP says. Sometimes there is some overpromising, but those things are usually secondary aspects, rather than the core idea. Most of the results are beeing used as some developed components by participating companies, some of the work is dropped, and a lot of work is open sourced and few projects are really successful. But that's research anyway. Not all work lead to success here.
- opminion 14y ago
  Perhaps it depends on the type of project? I see two very different views here: one thing is to have technical jargon that looks like buzzwords to the uninitiated, another is to have to include, in the proposal, features that you won't implement so that the project is accepted, as mentioned in the original post.
  - apendleton 14y ago
    I don't think that's it, so much as offering to implement, and actually implementing (at least in a half-assed way) features that you don't actually want, to make the proposal more attractive.

fijal 14y ago

I can't speak about the EU projects in general, but chances are we overdid it and it's not 100% clear if it increased or decreased our chances.