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"That middle-American dad programmer using .NET, how do we respect and engage with that community"? I live in Silicon Beach in LA. I've architected two very su

"That middle-American dad programmer using .NET, how do we respect and engage with that community"? I live in Silicon Beach in LA. I've architected two very successful startups in .NET. I have written .NET for sites making 100's of millions like Hulu, Ticketmaster, Fandango. I wake up in the morning thinking about software and fall asleep thinking about software. I take my craft very seriously. I am not some aberration in the .NET world, as I've worked with hundreds of guys like myself. Sounds like you don't have a whole lot of respect for the .NET community. I've just lost a little bit more respect for Heroku.

bitcartel 14y ago
It's not just Heroku, it seems a lot of start-ups love to beat down on C# and .NET. "Why we don’t hire .NET programmers" http://blog.expensify.com/2011/03/25/ceo-friday-why-we-dont-hire-net-programmers/ http://blog.expensify.com/2011/03/25/ceo-friday-why-we-dont-...
- ripberge 14y ago
  LoL. What a great 1.6 to 1.7 oz burger analogy he makes. I'm convinced this man is an expert in .NET and it's pro's and con's in relation to other platforms.
- revelation 14y ago
  Wow, what a horribly misinformed post. Users of jQuery UI complaining about not being able to build that 1.7oz burger in the .NET ecosystem, while having not a sliver of understanding what a virtual machine is and just calling it all a "language".
chc 14y ago
I am baffled by what has you so offended here. I don't see anything disrespectful to the .NET community in that quote. He's not saying ".NET programmers aren't serious about their craft" — he's essentially saying "Ruby was really popular in the Silicon Valley startup culture, but other stacks were more popular in other places and among other demographics." The "middle-American dad using .NET" is more or less the complete opposite of Heroku's initial core audience, so he was essentially saying "How do we expand this to everybody?" You even fit what he's talking about — you're not in Silicon Valley, and you're using a different technology stack. I don't see anything wrong with being you, and I don't think Teich does either.
iends 14y ago
Care to share any of your experiences in building a startup using .NET? It's refreshing to see something outside node, go, haskell, RoR, etc.
moron4hire 14y ago
Hear, hear. To be dismissed as clock-punchers like that is... well I can't say it's entirely unexpected. I've been dealing with it for years now. I saw an opportunity in college to learn a great programming language that none of my peers were studying and it has paid me very well ever since then. But all along the way, I've received this very attitude, this "oh, you're not a real developer because you use the Evil Closed Source Software." And it's disingenuous, because they gave up on Linux for OS X years ago, with .NET being more open source than any of my former classmates are now working on (well, the ones who didn't finally give up trying to get jobs at Fedora and finally taught themselves C#). It is just such a turn off. You work hard and do good work and get ignored for a bunch of people who only think they're inventing new things because they've never seen anything outside of Rubython before. So you don't make mention of doing .NET to avoid getting dismissed from the start and then everyone thinks nobody does anything in .NET because they've never heard of it in the pop-tech press. But I think I'm just about over it. I've got my own core set of code that I use. It makes me super productive. I know I can do anything I set my mind to. I don't need acceptance from the trendy crowd to get good work done.

bitcartel 14y ago

It's not just Heroku, it seems a lot of start-ups love to beat down on C# and .NET. "Why we don’t hire .NET programmers" http://blog.expensify.com/2011/03/25/ceo-friday-why-we-dont-hire-net-programmers/ http://blog.expensify.com/2011/03/25/ceo-friday-why-we-dont-...

ripberge 14y ago
LoL. What a great 1.6 to 1.7 oz burger analogy he makes. I'm convinced this man is an expert in .NET and it's pro's and con's in relation to other platforms.
revelation 14y ago
Wow, what a horribly misinformed post. Users of jQuery UI complaining about not being able to build that 1.7oz burger in the .NET ecosystem, while having not a sliver of understanding what a virtual machine is and just calling it all a "language".

chc 14y ago

I am baffled by what has you so offended here. I don't see anything disrespectful to the .NET community in that quote. He's not saying ".NET programmers aren't serious about their craft" — he's essentially saying "Ruby was really popular in the Silicon Valley startup culture, but other stacks were more popular in other places and among other demographics." The "middle-American dad using .NET" is more or less the complete opposite of Heroku's initial core audience, so he was essentially saying "How do we expand this to everybody?" You even fit what he's talking about — you're not in Silicon Valley, and you're using a different technology stack. I don't see anything wrong with being you, and I don't think Teich does either.

iends 14y ago

Care to share any of your experiences in building a startup using .NET? It's refreshing to see something outside node, go, haskell, RoR, etc.

moron4hire 14y ago

Hear, hear. To be dismissed as clock-punchers like that is... well I can't say it's entirely unexpected. I've been dealing with it for years now. I saw an opportunity in college to learn a great programming language that none of my peers were studying and it has paid me very well ever since then. But all along the way, I've received this very attitude, this "oh, you're not a real developer because you use the Evil Closed Source Software." And it's disingenuous, because they gave up on Linux for OS X years ago, with .NET being more open source than any of my former classmates are now working on (well, the ones who didn't finally give up trying to get jobs at Fedora and finally taught themselves C#). It is just such a turn off. You work hard and do good work and get ignored for a bunch of people who only think they're inventing new things because they've never seen anything outside of Rubython before. So you don't make mention of doing .NET to avoid getting dismissed from the start and then everyone thinks nobody does anything in .NET because they've never heard of it in the pop-tech press. But I think I'm just about over it. I've got my own core set of code that I use. It makes me super productive. I know I can do anything I set my mind to. I don't need acceptance from the trendy crowd to get good work done.