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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10225598 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10225598 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12433723 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10225598 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10225598 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12433723 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12433723 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9691849 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9691849 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3506104 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3506104 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11202221 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11202221 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15577502 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15577502 http://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/javma.2004.224.380 http://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/javma.2004.224.... http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11787155 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11787155 http://www.grca.org/health/bigfour_hypo.html http://www.grca.org/health/bigfour_hypo.html >In general, only the more "old-fashioned" vets have qualms about early spaying and neutering. Is "old-fasioned" a code for "actually believes in that do no harm nonsense"? >As to magic spores... well in a shelter environment if a puppy goes out intact it will likely not be fixed by the new owner Yes, but my dog is not in a shelter, it is in my house. So the constant "you are a bad owner because your dog has testicles" bullshit really doesn't help save anyone or anything.

manachar 14y ago
No, old-fashioned is not a code word for that specific test. it was the best word I could come with for a more traditional mindset vet. Some vets agree with you and consider it unethical. Many other vets disagree. Haven't read these all yet, but should note: Conclusions and Clinical Relevance—Because earlyage gonadectomy appears to offer more benefits than risks for male dogs, animal shelters can safely gonadectomize male dogs at a young age and veterinary practitioners should consider recommending routine gonadectomy for client-owned male dogs before the traditional age of 6 to 8 months. For female dogs, however, increased urinary incontinence suggests that delaying gonadectomy until at least 3 months of age may be beneficial. ( J Am Vet Med Assoc 2004; 224:380–387) (http://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/javma.2004.224.... http://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/javma.2004.224....) As to your dog, assuming it's adult what does early age neutering have to do with the situation? Sounds like you're getting some heat from others about your decision to not neuter an adult male dog. That's a different debate that has nothing to do with neutering dogs at a younger age.
- papsosouid 14y ago
  >Many other vets disagree. Yes, and many vets recommend horrible things like declawing. Being a vet does not come with any requirement to be moral or ethical, nor to care about animals at all. Notice how many vets refuse to euthanize animals hit by cars and brought to their clinic? Because the $6 matters more to them than the suffering of the animal. >but should note Yes, vets do have an unfortunate financial motivation that is often at odds with the best interests of the animals. >As to your dog, assuming it's adult what does early age neutering have to do with the situation? He's not an adult, he's 9 months old.
  - bugschivers 14y ago
    Personally, depending upon breed I wouldn't neuter until your dog is mature, irrespective of health issues, there are numerous behavioural issues that neutering can bring about. There is a second fear period that all dogs go through, and removing testosterone CAN in some dogs cause them to develop nervousness &/or fearful aggression, not to mention other behaviours. It is best to wait until a dog of either sex is mature for their breed, for most dogs that won't be until 2 years of age at the earliest.
  - __david__ 14y ago
    > Yes, and many vets recommend horrible things like declawing. Is that really that bad? I'll admit that in the past I've had indoor cats declawed, which frankly really made my life easier. That's a bit selfish, I admit, but I also didn't see any negative aspect to the cat's behavior compared to other (clawed) cats I've had. > Yes, vets do have an unfortunate financial motivation that is often at odds with the best interests of the animals. So do human doctors, and yet we trust them or get second opinions when things don't make sense to us. I try to treat my pets the same way.
    - papsosouid 14y ago
      >Is that really that bad? Yes, I certainly consider mutilating animals for convenience to be bad. The process is removing the ends of their fingers. Look at your hand. See the last knuckle? Cut there. >So do human doctors, and yet we trust them or get second opinions when things don't make sense to us. We can also sue them if they recommend elective surgery that causes harm because they want money. This option is not available with vets. If your doctor solicited you with a "our records indicate your child is 5 years old, please book an appointment now to have his or her sexual organs removed. It is dangerous to have an intact child, and you are a bad parent if you do not have us remove his or her sex organs." notice, I suspect you would strongly consider a new doctor.

manachar 14y ago

No, old-fashioned is not a code word for that specific test. it was the best word I could come with for a more traditional mindset vet. Some vets agree with you and consider it unethical. Many other vets disagree. Haven't read these all yet, but should note: Conclusions and Clinical Relevance—Because earlyage gonadectomy appears to offer more benefits than risks for male dogs, animal shelters can safely gonadectomize male dogs at a young age and veterinary practitioners should consider recommending routine gonadectomy for client-owned male dogs before the traditional age of 6 to 8 months. For female dogs, however, increased urinary incontinence suggests that delaying gonadectomy until at least 3 months of age may be beneficial. ( J Am Vet Med Assoc 2004; 224:380–387) (http://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/javma.2004.224.... http://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/javma.2004.224....) As to your dog, assuming it's adult what does early age neutering have to do with the situation? Sounds like you're getting some heat from others about your decision to not neuter an adult male dog. That's a different debate that has nothing to do with neutering dogs at a younger age.

papsosouid 14y ago
>Many other vets disagree. Yes, and many vets recommend horrible things like declawing. Being a vet does not come with any requirement to be moral or ethical, nor to care about animals at all. Notice how many vets refuse to euthanize animals hit by cars and brought to their clinic? Because the $6 matters more to them than the suffering of the animal. >but should note Yes, vets do have an unfortunate financial motivation that is often at odds with the best interests of the animals. >As to your dog, assuming it's adult what does early age neutering have to do with the situation? He's not an adult, he's 9 months old.
- bugschivers 14y ago
  Personally, depending upon breed I wouldn't neuter until your dog is mature, irrespective of health issues, there are numerous behavioural issues that neutering can bring about. There is a second fear period that all dogs go through, and removing testosterone CAN in some dogs cause them to develop nervousness &/or fearful aggression, not to mention other behaviours. It is best to wait until a dog of either sex is mature for their breed, for most dogs that won't be until 2 years of age at the earliest.
- __david__ 14y ago
  > Yes, and many vets recommend horrible things like declawing. Is that really that bad? I'll admit that in the past I've had indoor cats declawed, which frankly really made my life easier. That's a bit selfish, I admit, but I also didn't see any negative aspect to the cat's behavior compared to other (clawed) cats I've had. > Yes, vets do have an unfortunate financial motivation that is often at odds with the best interests of the animals. So do human doctors, and yet we trust them or get second opinions when things don't make sense to us. I try to treat my pets the same way.
  - papsosouid 14y ago
    >Is that really that bad? Yes, I certainly consider mutilating animals for convenience to be bad. The process is removing the ends of their fingers. Look at your hand. See the last knuckle? Cut there. >So do human doctors, and yet we trust them or get second opinions when things don't make sense to us. We can also sue them if they recommend elective surgery that causes harm because they want money. This option is not available with vets. If your doctor solicited you with a "our records indicate your child is 5 years old, please book an appointment now to have his or her sexual organs removed. It is dangerous to have an intact child, and you are a bad parent if you do not have us remove his or her sex organs." notice, I suspect you would strongly consider a new doctor.