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>In fact the whole UEFI in general I think it is a clusterfuck of mishmashed random ideas, some good, many bad. Care to explain why or how, instead of just thr

>In fact the whole UEFI in general I think it is a clusterfuck of mishmashed random ideas, some good, many bad. Care to explain why or how, instead of just throwing a general statement around?

RexRollman 14y ago
Because UEFI is overly complicated and more akin to a mini-OS. All most people really want is for the firmware to set up the hardware and then hand over to the bootloader.
- recoiledsnake 14y ago
  Isn't that what is already does? In fact it is so fast handing control to the OS that in Windows 8 Microsoft had to add an option to restart into UEFI settings mode. Which features are unneeded in your opinion?
  - easytiger 14y ago
    Secure Boot.
    - Locke1689 14y ago
      Well, duh. You aren't responsible for users getting rootkits installed on their computer. Obviously you would find it useless.
      - taproot 14y ago
        Sounds more like a user education problem to me. We don't let people drive without a license I don't see why we should worry about the people who use computers and don't bother to read up and understand what they're using. In before "everyone should be able to use computers and they should just work" - I agree, it should be like this; however, the hardware, software, and usability has just never been at that level - and won't be for some time. Thus I dislike that argument. I do understand this means we should be making things better as we go, I just don't see how this is one of those things, nor do I see how proper education should be lacking for the time being. To put that in the car analogy: Should we let people drive around because they need to get to work today but don't have time to sit the license right now? Disclaimer: Opinion, and I'm a huge usability fan and hope one day things do "just work", I'm just also a realist and don't see the logic behind letting people use something before they or the thing is ready for them. Edit: Just realised I went on a bit of a mad rant and kind of went a bit off topic. Apologies.
- gizmo686 14y ago
  Isn't the BIOS supposed to be a mini-OS. It provides a common interface for different hardware platforms so software works on all of them. Of course then our address space increased, so you can only use many of those BIOS features in real mode. Then modern OS's reimplented those BIOS features. What we have now is an old mini-OS that has been hacked around to run modern OSes. UEFI is a welcome solution to that problem.
cbs 14y ago
Here is a talk from the Linux EFI implementer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2aq5M3Q76U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2aq5M3Q76U
humanspecies 14y ago
If you need an explanation as to why a encrypted only closed platform shouldn't exist, you're already off the mark.
- overgryphon 14y ago
  You know what, this comment is really rude. UEFI is a pretty complex topic, and it's reasonable for people to ask questions about it.

>In fact the whole UEFI in general I think it is a clusterfuck of mishmashed random ideas, some good, many bad. Care to explain why or how, instead of just throwing a general statement around?

RexRollman 14y ago

Because UEFI is overly complicated and more akin to a mini-OS. All most people really want is for the firmware to set up the hardware and then hand over to the bootloader.

recoiledsnake 14y ago
Isn't that what is already does? In fact it is so fast handing control to the OS that in Windows 8 Microsoft had to add an option to restart into UEFI settings mode. Which features are unneeded in your opinion?
- easytiger 14y ago
  Secure Boot.
  - Locke1689 14y ago
    Well, duh. You aren't responsible for users getting rootkits installed on their computer. Obviously you would find it useless.
    - taproot 14y ago
      Sounds more like a user education problem to me. We don't let people drive without a license I don't see why we should worry about the people who use computers and don't bother to read up and understand what they're using. In before "everyone should be able to use computers and they should just work" - I agree, it should be like this; however, the hardware, software, and usability has just never been at that level - and won't be for some time. Thus I dislike that argument. I do understand this means we should be making things better as we go, I just don't see how this is one of those things, nor do I see how proper education should be lacking for the time being. To put that in the car analogy: Should we let people drive around because they need to get to work today but don't have time to sit the license right now? Disclaimer: Opinion, and I'm a huge usability fan and hope one day things do "just work", I'm just also a realist and don't see the logic behind letting people use something before they or the thing is ready for them. Edit: Just realised I went on a bit of a mad rant and kind of went a bit off topic. Apologies.
gizmo686 14y ago
Isn't the BIOS supposed to be a mini-OS. It provides a common interface for different hardware platforms so software works on all of them. Of course then our address space increased, so you can only use many of those BIOS features in real mode. Then modern OS's reimplented those BIOS features. What we have now is an old mini-OS that has been hacked around to run modern OSes. UEFI is a welcome solution to that problem.

cbs 14y ago

Here is a talk from the Linux EFI implementer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2aq5M3Q76U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2aq5M3Q76U

humanspecies 14y ago

If you need an explanation as to why a encrypted only closed platform shouldn't exist, you're already off the mark.

overgryphon 14y ago
You know what, this comment is really rude. UEFI is a pretty complex topic, and it's reasonable for people to ask questions about it.