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When you, alone, have the power to turn a company around, you get more or less anything necessary to ensure your success. Let's be real. This isn't CEO camp.

When you, alone, have the power to turn a company around, you get more or less anything necessary to ensure your success. Let's be real. This isn't CEO camp. Not everyone gets a turn. Mayer is special. She's got a kid on the way. I'm sure the shareholders would prefer she not have to choose between saving Yahoo and raising her kid. If employees were able to deliver similar levels of value, I'm sure they'd be first in line for their own special accommodations.

untog 14y ago
How is it related to being a CEO, though? Fact is, Mayer had a child. She realised that in order to be effective in the office, she needed a nursery, so that she could be close to her child while also working. Why does the same not apply to Yahoo employees with young children? Mayer may be CEO, but the logic she used to install a nursery would apply to all employees.
- danilocampos 14y ago
  There is a cost associated with the accommodation (which Mayer was uniquely able to pay for). There's limited physical space. There are practical considerations. Other employees don't deliver enough value to tip the equation in favor of the accommodation. If tier-4 person has a nursery, you get a marginally better contribution four tiers down. If Mayer has a nursery, she potentially turns Yahoo into a fiercely competitive organization. Is it fair? No. It's business. Hell, why not give everyone a corner office? Give everyone a private jet? Y'know?
  - untog 14y ago
    You know, there's a cost effective alternative to giving every employee a nursery. It's letting them work from home. That's kind of the whole point of why people are picking up on this.
    - danilocampos 14y ago
      And one day, when Yahoo is very successful and has a trusted, properly incentivized workforce, I am certain they will explore such accommodation. In the meantime, homegirl is running a turnaround; the French Resistance didn't have featherbeds.
      - untog 14y ago
        It's hardly as if Yahoo employees don't have other places they could go. At a time when tech companies are falling over each other to persuade people to work for them, turning off prospective employees seems like a turnaround all right.
    - Gustomaximus 14y ago
      Letting people work from home doesn't help a person do their job if they still have to look after the child(ren). You might get a couple hours work done at nap time but otherwise young kids require all hands on deck.
    - bitcartel 14y ago
      Exactly. Eliminating working from home punishes those who need the option most, Yahoo moms and dads. Just for the record: - The US is the only industrialized nation not to mandate paid leave for mothers of newborns - The US is one of only three nations — rich and poor - that doesn't guarantee job-protected time off with some amount of income after the birth of a child - New parents in the U.S. are guaranteed their jobs for 12 weeks after the arrival of a new baby, thanks to the Family Medical Leave Act of 1993, but they do not have to be paid during that time and exemptions apply for small companies. - California provides 60% pay for 12 weeks - UK provides 90% pay for 280 days, Russia 100% pay for 140 days, Spain & France & Netherlands 100% pay for 112 days, Germany 100% pay for 98 days, China 100% pay for 90 days [1] http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/04/maternity-leave-paid-parental-leave-_n_2617284.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/04/maternity-leave-pai... [2] http://www.theatlantic.com/sexes/archive/2012/12/why-paid-leave-could-pass-in-obamas-second-term-americans-want-it/265831/ http://www.theatlantic.com/sexes/archive/2012/12/why-paid-le...
  - thedrbrian 14y ago
    You're assuming that she turns yahoo around and doesn't just postpone inevitable.
- jiggy2011 14y ago
  She is probably expected to work a lot more hours than the majority of employees. In fact doesn't she have a reputation for basically working 24/7. This is a way to do that without having her kid basically raised by a nanny.
- fpgeek 14y ago
  I think the logic behind the nursery probably does apply to most Yahoo employees with young children. But that's an argument for on-site day care (does Yahoo offer it?), not working from home.
rollo_tommasi 14y ago
So the drones have to sacrifice their benefits to drive up the share price, but the C-suite gets extravagant bespoke benefits because they're delivering value...by tearing up other people's benefits. Seems like good work if you can get it.
- jdh 14y ago
  It is good work if you can get it. So is getting $10M a year to play basketball. If you have the rare talents that our 21st century economy demands from the top performers, a nursery in your office is the least of the perks you get. If you have the less rare but still valuable talents of a yahoo programmer, you get no jet or crèche but you get six figures and free soda. If you live in Detroit and know how to make fasteners, you get less than that in most cases today. If you live in Somalia, well... Fair it may not be, but I'm not crying for the poor Yahoo lead developer who has to go to the office now. It's a cold, cold world.
  - eli_gottlieb 14y ago
    The whole point is that cutting other people's benefits, salaries and jobs is not a talent at all. A robot built to mimic the average private-equity or management consulting firm could easily determine that brave, stringent cuts to employee compensation desperately need to be made, since that's what they always say.
  - jclos 14y ago
    This is just an appeal to worse fallacy. Just because others have it bad doesn't mean we shouldn't improve our own situation.

untog 14y ago

How is it related to being a CEO, though? Fact is, Mayer had a child. She realised that in order to be effective in the office, she needed a nursery, so that she could be close to her child while also working. Why does the same not apply to Yahoo employees with young children? Mayer may be CEO, but the logic she used to install a nursery would apply to all employees.

danilocampos 14y ago
There is a cost associated with the accommodation (which Mayer was uniquely able to pay for). There's limited physical space. There are practical considerations. Other employees don't deliver enough value to tip the equation in favor of the accommodation. If tier-4 person has a nursery, you get a marginally better contribution four tiers down. If Mayer has a nursery, she potentially turns Yahoo into a fiercely competitive organization. Is it fair? No. It's business. Hell, why not give everyone a corner office? Give everyone a private jet? Y'know?
- untog 14y ago
  You know, there's a cost effective alternative to giving every employee a nursery. It's letting them work from home. That's kind of the whole point of why people are picking up on this.
  - danilocampos 14y ago
    And one day, when Yahoo is very successful and has a trusted, properly incentivized workforce, I am certain they will explore such accommodation. In the meantime, homegirl is running a turnaround; the French Resistance didn't have featherbeds.
    - untog 14y ago
      It's hardly as if Yahoo employees don't have other places they could go. At a time when tech companies are falling over each other to persuade people to work for them, turning off prospective employees seems like a turnaround all right.
  - Gustomaximus 14y ago
    Letting people work from home doesn't help a person do their job if they still have to look after the child(ren). You might get a couple hours work done at nap time but otherwise young kids require all hands on deck.
  - bitcartel 14y ago
    Exactly. Eliminating working from home punishes those who need the option most, Yahoo moms and dads. Just for the record: - The US is the only industrialized nation not to mandate paid leave for mothers of newborns - The US is one of only three nations — rich and poor - that doesn't guarantee job-protected time off with some amount of income after the birth of a child - New parents in the U.S. are guaranteed their jobs for 12 weeks after the arrival of a new baby, thanks to the Family Medical Leave Act of 1993, but they do not have to be paid during that time and exemptions apply for small companies. - California provides 60% pay for 12 weeks - UK provides 90% pay for 280 days, Russia 100% pay for 140 days, Spain & France & Netherlands 100% pay for 112 days, Germany 100% pay for 98 days, China 100% pay for 90 days [1] http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/04/maternity-leave-paid-parental-leave-_n_2617284.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/04/maternity-leave-pai... [2] http://www.theatlantic.com/sexes/archive/2012/12/why-paid-leave-could-pass-in-obamas-second-term-americans-want-it/265831/ http://www.theatlantic.com/sexes/archive/2012/12/why-paid-le...
- thedrbrian 14y ago
  You're assuming that she turns yahoo around and doesn't just postpone inevitable.
jiggy2011 14y ago
She is probably expected to work a lot more hours than the majority of employees. In fact doesn't she have a reputation for basically working 24/7. This is a way to do that without having her kid basically raised by a nanny.
fpgeek 14y ago
I think the logic behind the nursery probably does apply to most Yahoo employees with young children. But that's an argument for on-site day care (does Yahoo offer it?), not working from home.

rollo_tommasi 14y ago

So the drones have to sacrifice their benefits to drive up the share price, but the C-suite gets extravagant bespoke benefits because they're delivering value...by tearing up other people's benefits. Seems like good work if you can get it.

jdh 14y ago
It is good work if you can get it. So is getting $10M a year to play basketball. If you have the rare talents that our 21st century economy demands from the top performers, a nursery in your office is the least of the perks you get. If you have the less rare but still valuable talents of a yahoo programmer, you get no jet or crèche but you get six figures and free soda. If you live in Detroit and know how to make fasteners, you get less than that in most cases today. If you live in Somalia, well... Fair it may not be, but I'm not crying for the poor Yahoo lead developer who has to go to the office now. It's a cold, cold world.
- eli_gottlieb 14y ago
  The whole point is that cutting other people's benefits, salaries and jobs is not a talent at all. A robot built to mimic the average private-equity or management consulting firm could easily determine that brave, stringent cuts to employee compensation desperately need to be made, since that's what they always say.
- jclos 14y ago
  This is just an appeal to worse fallacy. Just because others have it bad doesn't mean we shouldn't improve our own situation.