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You know that the line between a startup and a life-style business is pretty much non existent of course. Oh, and before we go into that "it's all immense stres

by pyalot2 14y ago

You know that the line between a startup and a life-style business is pretty much non existent of course. Oh, and before we go into that "it's all immense stress, don't do it" thing, ever noticed how a ton of startups/founders are very fond of balancing this to be a lifestyle choice? Anyhow, stress/failure isn't the only contributing factor to a balanced mental life. Even somebody with a more varied emotional makeup can deal with stress and failure. There are a host of other factors that have to work as well, and sorry, holding a job for some people just doesn't deliver them.

jacquesm 14y ago
There is a huge difference between a life-style business and a start-up. Though the one could grow into the other the chances of that happening are fairly remote. Most life-style businesses have built in limits to scale, most start-ups consider not scaling up and out a failure of sorts. As soon as compound growth is involved you're out of lifestyle business levels. A typical life-style business is < 5 people, is in business-to-business, has a limited number of customers and does not aim to change that. A typical start-up is one that is started by < 5 people, aims to achieve significant growth and is basically never going to be satisfied with the amount of reach they've got. Start-ups will take outside investors, life-style businesses will not.
- pyalot2 14y ago
  That's one of several definitions of a startup, and it's not the only one, or even an accurate one. - There are any number of companies that started without outside investors. - There are any number of startups that take outside investment but never scale. - There are lifestyle businesses that turned out to scale at some point or another. - To interpret compounding only in terms of taking investment and throwing away your life is a very narrow minded point of view.
  - jacquesm 14y ago
    That's the HN general use of the word start-up as per PG's definition. I agree there are others but it helps if we all use the terms the same way. See here: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4556838 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4556838
    - pyalot2 14y ago
      Sure, I don't disagree with Startup == Growth. I disagree that it means anything but (such as outside investment, winning the startup/facebook lottery, compounding, putting insane life crushing hours, etc.) There's a reason PG formulated it thus simply. It would be odd if for instance in the case of Viaweb (a startup without outside funding) PG would disqualify himself from having done a startup, but then went on to define startups...
    - paul_f 14y ago
      If we're gonna go there, lifestyle businesses solve real customer needs, usually for other businesses. Startups collect lyrics for hip-hop music. :-)

by pyalot2 14y ago

jacquesm 14y ago

There is a huge difference between a life-style business and a start-up. Though the one could grow into the other the chances of that happening are fairly remote. Most life-style businesses have built in limits to scale, most start-ups consider not scaling up and out a failure of sorts. As soon as compound growth is involved you're out of lifestyle business levels. A typical life-style business is < 5 people, is in business-to-business, has a limited number of customers and does not aim to change that. A typical start-up is one that is started by < 5 people, aims to achieve significant growth and is basically never going to be satisfied with the amount of reach they've got. Start-ups will take outside investors, life-style businesses will not.

pyalot2 14y ago
That's one of several definitions of a startup, and it's not the only one, or even an accurate one. - There are any number of companies that started without outside investors. - There are any number of startups that take outside investment but never scale. - There are lifestyle businesses that turned out to scale at some point or another. - To interpret compounding only in terms of taking investment and throwing away your life is a very narrow minded point of view.
- jacquesm 14y ago
  That's the HN general use of the word start-up as per PG's definition. I agree there are others but it helps if we all use the terms the same way. See here: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4556838 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4556838
  - pyalot2 14y ago
    Sure, I don't disagree with Startup == Growth. I disagree that it means anything but (such as outside investment, winning the startup/facebook lottery, compounding, putting insane life crushing hours, etc.) There's a reason PG formulated it thus simply. It would be odd if for instance in the case of Viaweb (a startup without outside funding) PG would disqualify himself from having done a startup, but then went on to define startups...
  - paul_f 14y ago
    If we're gonna go there, lifestyle businesses solve real customer needs, usually for other businesses. Startups collect lyrics for hip-hop music. :-)