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Dunno what 'dead' means. There are several commercial vendors and several open source versions. The ecosystem is at least stable and probably growing.
by russellallen 14y ago
Dunno what 'dead' means. There are several commercial vendors and several open source versions. The ecosystem is at least stable and probably growing.
- jhancock 14y agoAgreed. Cincom Smalltalk (ParcPlace's VisualWorks) is certainly not dead. Its a powerful system and keeps getting updates. Gemstone Smalltalk: there is nothing that competes with this unique approach to DB and code execution in a somewhat seamless server cluster. My guess is that after a 10-15 year lull, Smalltalk is growing a bit. I'm very happy to see Pharo chugging along. I think that by 2014, Pharo 3.0 will be a hit. Pharo 2.0 is already very compelling for many use cases. Smalltalk didn't really die. It was the Smalltalk vendors that died. There were three++ viable Smalltalk vendors when Java came along. Java did not have a tech advantage. Not even close. Java was crammed through the industry by big players that didn't own Smalltalk implementations and Sun was in a position to give Java away for free. At that time the Smalltalk vendors had old-school business models whose investors did not allow them to turn the corner at the dawn of the Internet age of the mid-90s. Had either Digitalk or ParcPlace given a free license to embed Smalltalk into Netscape's browser instead of Netscape/Sun pulling the Java applet and Javascript move, we would all be writing browser apps in a clean consistent language, instead of Javascript. This is not speculation. I was in the room when such an opportunity was discussed. It was soon dismissed as "our board won't allow it as it would destroy our current business model".