> And who seriously builds a Rails app without understanding of basic CSS and HTML? One of the times I was at the Seattle Rails Meetup, 4 of the 8 people there

> And who seriously builds a Rails app without understanding of basic CSS and HTML? One of the times I was at the Seattle Rails Meetup, 4 of the 8 people there were trying to do this. One of them has been trying to do this for at least 2 years with only puting in a few hours per week. It's been pretty painful to watch.