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If Samsung had anywhere near the software chops to make this happen, wouldn't even at least their midrange phones run Bada? And the desktop analogy falls flat

If Samsung had anywhere near the software chops to make this happen, wouldn't even at least their midrange phones run Bada? And the desktop analogy falls flat when you consider the fact that some of the most important apps are well integrated services - maps, Siri/Google Now, Gmail, etc.

jordanthoms 14y ago
Yeah. Samsung makes great hardware, awesome LCD panels etc but their software is not so great (although it's been improving). E.G: Samsung's Smart TV software
ajross 14y ago
Exactly. This is a company whose code review process said "Sure, any userspace process can access all memory!", and AFAIK have refused to fix it. I don't think Google has much to worry about. Or rather, sure: they do on the business side. An app store is a commodity. Samsung has one. If enough users use only Samsung phones then Samsung can sell the apps directly. But that's only true insofar as Samsung phones are clearly better. And right now that property is a combination of some nice hardware and... Google's innovation in Android. Take the latter away and you basically have AOSP on nice hardware, and that's not going to sell many phones. Long term I think this will settle out as phones and mobile OSes become less differentiated. Samsung too (and Apple, for that matter) will succumb to the inevitable: there really isn't a whole lot of money to be made in selling latte-priced apps in an increasingly competitive market.
sciurus 14y ago
To reinforce your point, Samsung is killing Bada. http://www.theverge.com/2013/2/25/4026848/bada-and-tizen-to-merge http://www.theverge.com/2013/2/25/4026848/bada-and-tizen-to-...
- jpatokal 14y ago
  But they're killing it in favor of Tizen, their next-gen OS, which will be going head to head with Android.
schraeds 14y ago
What's stopping them from forking android just like Amazon did?

jordanthoms 14y ago

Yeah. Samsung makes great hardware, awesome LCD panels etc but their software is not so great (although it's been improving). E.G: Samsung's Smart TV software

ajross 14y ago

Exactly. This is a company whose code review process said "Sure, any userspace process can access all memory!", and AFAIK have refused to fix it. I don't think Google has much to worry about. Or rather, sure: they do on the business side. An app store is a commodity. Samsung has one. If enough users use only Samsung phones then Samsung can sell the apps directly. But that's only true insofar as Samsung phones are clearly better. And right now that property is a combination of some nice hardware and... Google's innovation in Android. Take the latter away and you basically have AOSP on nice hardware, and that's not going to sell many phones. Long term I think this will settle out as phones and mobile OSes become less differentiated. Samsung too (and Apple, for that matter) will succumb to the inevitable: there really isn't a whole lot of money to be made in selling latte-priced apps in an increasingly competitive market.

sciurus 14y ago

To reinforce your point, Samsung is killing Bada. http://www.theverge.com/2013/2/25/4026848/bada-and-tizen-to-merge http://www.theverge.com/2013/2/25/4026848/bada-and-tizen-to-...

jpatokal 14y ago
But they're killing it in favor of Tizen, their next-gen OS, which will be going head to head with Android.

schraeds 14y ago

What's stopping them from forking android just like Amazon did?