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On German (and I think also Dutch) keyboards, {} are on AltGr-7 and 0, which is a pain to type (and the reason why I switch every computer to US keyboard). I wo

by limmeau 14y ago

On German (and I think also Dutch) keyboards, {} are on AltGr-7 and 0, which is a pain to type (and the reason why I switch every computer to US keyboard). I wonder if that's why Python uses indentation and not braces for blocks...

Tripfag 14y ago
Flemish (Belgian Dutch) keyboards have them at AltGr9 and AltGr0. Works just fine, if you ask me.
- AlexanderDhoore 14y ago
  I'm also a Fleming and I HATE our keyboard. For example languages with $ signs for variables are horrible with it. $ needs AltGr and is all the way to the right. Thus requiring you to leave the home row completely. (Not even getting into how moronic the placements of (){}[] are.) Switched to QWERTY, not looking back.
  - Tripfag 14y ago
    Ah, nog ne Howest-er :p
sjmulder 14y ago
Dutch people use US International layout keyboards almost exclusively (@ above 2). The Dutch layout (# above 2) is very very rare.
- walshemj 14y ago
  Out of interest how do dutch keyboards handle the IJ
  - Someone 14y ago
    Typically: not. Historically, I don't think there were character sets that had it as a character. Unicode nowadays has it, but discourages its use. http://www.unicode.org/versions/Unicode6.1.0/ch07.pdf http://www.unicode.org/versions/Unicode6.1.0/ch07.pdf: "Another pair of characters, U+0133 latin small ligature ij and its uppercase version, was provided to support the digraph “ij” in Dutch, often termed a “ligature” in discussions of Dutch orthography. When adding intercharacter spacing for line justification, the “ij” is kept as a unit, and the space between the i and j does not increase. In titlecasing, both the i and the j are uppercased, as in the word “IJsselmeer.” Using a single code point might sim- plify software support for such features; however, because a vast amount of Dutch data is encoded without this digraph character, under most circumstances one will encounter an <i, j> sequence." But don't take my word for it; I used Google to see what a Dutch keyboard layout is supposed to look like because I don't think I have ever seen one in real life. There were typewriters with a ij ligature. That makes sense because that is about the worst kerning pair you can get in a monospaced font (but as a monospaced ligature, it is fairly tight with those large vertical stretches both at the left and at the right)

by limmeau 14y ago

Tripfag 14y ago

Flemish (Belgian Dutch) keyboards have them at AltGr9 and AltGr0. Works just fine, if you ask me.

AlexanderDhoore 14y ago
I'm also a Fleming and I HATE our keyboard. For example languages with $ signs for variables are horrible with it. $ needs AltGr and is all the way to the right. Thus requiring you to leave the home row completely. (Not even getting into how moronic the placements of (){}[] are.) Switched to QWERTY, not looking back.
- Tripfag 14y ago
  Ah, nog ne Howest-er :p

sjmulder 14y ago

Dutch people use US International layout keyboards almost exclusively (@ above 2). The Dutch layout (# above 2) is very very rare.

walshemj 14y ago
Out of interest how do dutch keyboards handle the IJ
- Someone 14y ago
  Typically: not. Historically, I don't think there were character sets that had it as a character. Unicode nowadays has it, but discourages its use. http://www.unicode.org/versions/Unicode6.1.0/ch07.pdf http://www.unicode.org/versions/Unicode6.1.0/ch07.pdf: "Another pair of characters, U+0133 latin small ligature ij and its uppercase version, was provided to support the digraph “ij” in Dutch, often termed a “ligature” in discussions of Dutch orthography. When adding intercharacter spacing for line justification, the “ij” is kept as a unit, and the space between the i and j does not increase. In titlecasing, both the i and the j are uppercased, as in the word “IJsselmeer.” Using a single code point might sim- plify software support for such features; however, because a vast amount of Dutch data is encoded without this digraph character, under most circumstances one will encounter an <i, j> sequence." But don't take my word for it; I used Google to see what a Dutch keyboard layout is supposed to look like because I don't think I have ever seen one in real life. There were typewriters with a ij ligature. That makes sense because that is about the worst kerning pair you can get in a monospaced font (but as a monospaced ligature, it is fairly tight with those large vertical stretches both at the left and at the right)