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He could have also chosen not to enter an unlocked server closet...

by mpyne 14y ago

enraged_camel 14y ago
Wow, I cannot believe there are still people who say this shit.
- mpyne 14y ago
  I can't believe there are still people who think that personal responsibility for one's actions don't apply if the politics of those actions are persuasive enough, yet here we are.
  - aeonsky 14y ago
    Agreed.
  - exit 14y ago
    if the deal were "plead guilty and only have one hand amputated, or spend a million defending yourself with the risk of execution." would you still waste our time bring up personal responsibility? because no one's arguing that he wasn't personally responsible for entering the server room. the issue is how unreasonable the offer is considering what he did.
    - mpyne 14y ago
      This from the person equating 3 months in a Western prison with having your hand chopped off? How is any logical, reasoned debate supposed to follow from this? How is having a limb amputated supposed to compare to Aaron's case?
      - exit 14y ago
        stop and ask yourself exactly why you think i'm equating anything here. it's just the first straw-man misinterpretation you could invent to respond in any way, isn't it? in any case, you've conceded that the reasonableness of the plea deal is the issue here and personal responsibility for entering the server room is irrelevant.
  - polymatter 14y ago
    The punishment should fit the misdemeanor. Jail time and a felony conviction is an extremely harsh punishment for surreptitiously downloading academic articles. Anyone with a speeding ticket has committed a far graver threat to society.
    - tptacek 14y ago
      It is easy to believe both that Swartz's actions were wrong and that the prosecutors actions were wrong. Or even that the prosecutors were more wrong than Swartz. That's what I think. So the feigned incredulousness of that comment upthread isn't particularly convincing.
- tptacek 14y ago
  Say what shit? Swartz shouldn't have been in the networking closet.

He could have also chosen not to enter an unlocked server closet...

by mpyne 14y ago

He could have also chosen not to enter an unlocked server closet...

enraged_camel 14y ago

Wow, I cannot believe there are still people who say this shit.

mpyne 14y ago
I can't believe there are still people who think that personal responsibility for one's actions don't apply if the politics of those actions are persuasive enough, yet here we are.
- aeonsky 14y ago
  Agreed.
- exit 14y ago
  if the deal were "plead guilty and only have one hand amputated, or spend a million defending yourself with the risk of execution." would you still waste our time bring up personal responsibility? because no one's arguing that he wasn't personally responsible for entering the server room. the issue is how unreasonable the offer is considering what he did.
  - mpyne 14y ago
    This from the person equating 3 months in a Western prison with having your hand chopped off? How is any logical, reasoned debate supposed to follow from this? How is having a limb amputated supposed to compare to Aaron's case?
    - exit 14y ago
      stop and ask yourself exactly why you think i'm equating anything here. it's just the first straw-man misinterpretation you could invent to respond in any way, isn't it? in any case, you've conceded that the reasonableness of the plea deal is the issue here and personal responsibility for entering the server room is irrelevant.
- polymatter 14y ago
  The punishment should fit the misdemeanor. Jail time and a felony conviction is an extremely harsh punishment for surreptitiously downloading academic articles. Anyone with a speeding ticket has committed a far graver threat to society.
  - tptacek 14y ago
    It is easy to believe both that Swartz's actions were wrong and that the prosecutors actions were wrong. Or even that the prosecutors were more wrong than Swartz. That's what I think. So the feigned incredulousness of that comment upthread isn't particularly convincing.
tptacek 14y ago
Say what shit? Swartz shouldn't have been in the networking closet.