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"Issues like the battery life, heat, weight, RAM free, and so on are reasonable for a Windows machine." Common, this is so childish... As if other devices don'

by ohwp 14y ago

"Issues like the battery life, heat, weight, RAM free, and so on are reasonable for a Windows machine." Common, this is so childish... As if other devices don't get hot and don't weight that much. You are very wrong in thinking that company X will take over the world. There are different people with different needs. Hipsters like hip devices, cartoonists like Surface Pro's. jacquesm points it out: the iPad market might still be the biggest but it's not the only market.

raganwald 14y ago
Childish? I feel old, stuck in world where HN was civil and we didn't abuse each other with accusations of childishness. I own an iPad and an iPad Mini. Neither has ever run so hot that it was uncomfortable to place on my lap. The review specifically states that he did experience it running too hot for his comfort. I read that the surface pro is 2 lbs, while a full-sized iPad is less than 1.5 lbs. Nowhere did I state that company X, Y or Z will take over the world. In fact, I stated that the market for people who want a laptop and a tablet may be wll-served by the Surface Pro rather than a laptop plus a tablet. Are you responding to my actual comment? Or are you reflexively responding to me as if I was saying things that other people are saying?
- ohwp 14y ago
  "Childish?" I was abusing you of a childish reaction because I think your tone towards Windows systems is unfair. "Nowhere did I state that company X, Y or Z will take over the world." No you didn't but you made it clear that you think only Apple can serve the tablet market because you explicitly mention the iPad all the time. You also compared Microsoft's vision vs Apple's vision as if these are the only two companies in the tablet/laptop market. "Are you responding to my actual comment? Or are you reflexively responding to me as if I was saying things that other people are saying?" I was responding to your actual comment and I think you also are saying things that other people are saying. But that didn't trigger a reflex ;) I responded because I don't agree with you. I think a comparison between 2 companies is wrong because it's not what matters in the real world. There are a lot of different devices serving different needs. I don't think the laptop or desktop will go away any time soon because they are still very relevant.
- pmelendez 14y ago
  >"I own an iPad and an iPad Mini. Neither has ever run so hot that it was uncomfortable to place on my lap." They are not running portal 2, league of legends or sketchbook either. Those are natural trade-offs where Apple sacrifices productivity and Microsoft sacrifices portability.
  - corresation 14y ago
    https://itunes.apple.com/ca/app/sketchbook-pro-for-ipad/id364253478?mt=8 https://itunes.apple.com/ca/app/sketchbook-pro-for-ipad/id36... Nonetheless I certainly don't agree with raganwald. They seem to believe that there are two options of which one must win. In actuality there are thousands of options, and all of them can win in their niche. In this case it's a guy who sketches online comics. I appreciate their review and completely get where they're coming from, but the things that are valuable to them are not at all valuable to me.
    - raganwald 14y ago
      Amusing disclosure: The Sketchbook Team Lead is a long-time friend of mine. Sketchbook was developed in Toronto by Alias software just a few blocks from where I worked at KL Group on JProbe "back in the day." So I'm extremely familiar with the fact that it runs on iPads :-)
  - jamesgeck0 14y ago
    Both Portal 2 and League of Legends run well on low end integrated graphics cards. The iPad may not have those particular games, but Unreal Engine 3 games are generally more demanding than Source Engine games, and there are several UE3 titles on iOS.
    - pmelendez 14y ago
      I had worked with Unreal Engine in both PC and the Ipad and the performance difference was abysmal. In order to make it run we had to downsize the art and make several optimizations. The last time I ran that game was on an Ipad 2 so that might changed with the last generation, but giving that experience I find very impressive that Surface Pro can run PC games out of the box in a satisfactory way.

by ohwp 14y ago

raganwald 14y ago

Childish? I feel old, stuck in world where HN was civil and we didn't abuse each other with accusations of childishness. I own an iPad and an iPad Mini. Neither has ever run so hot that it was uncomfortable to place on my lap. The review specifically states that he did experience it running too hot for his comfort. I read that the surface pro is 2 lbs, while a full-sized iPad is less than 1.5 lbs. Nowhere did I state that company X, Y or Z will take over the world. In fact, I stated that the market for people who want a laptop and a tablet may be wll-served by the Surface Pro rather than a laptop plus a tablet. Are you responding to my actual comment? Or are you reflexively responding to me as if I was saying things that other people are saying?

ohwp 14y ago
"Childish?" I was abusing you of a childish reaction because I think your tone towards Windows systems is unfair. "Nowhere did I state that company X, Y or Z will take over the world." No you didn't but you made it clear that you think only Apple can serve the tablet market because you explicitly mention the iPad all the time. You also compared Microsoft's vision vs Apple's vision as if these are the only two companies in the tablet/laptop market. "Are you responding to my actual comment? Or are you reflexively responding to me as if I was saying things that other people are saying?" I was responding to your actual comment and I think you also are saying things that other people are saying. But that didn't trigger a reflex ;) I responded because I don't agree with you. I think a comparison between 2 companies is wrong because it's not what matters in the real world. There are a lot of different devices serving different needs. I don't think the laptop or desktop will go away any time soon because they are still very relevant.
pmelendez 14y ago
>"I own an iPad and an iPad Mini. Neither has ever run so hot that it was uncomfortable to place on my lap." They are not running portal 2, league of legends or sketchbook either. Those are natural trade-offs where Apple sacrifices productivity and Microsoft sacrifices portability.
- corresation 14y ago
  https://itunes.apple.com/ca/app/sketchbook-pro-for-ipad/id364253478?mt=8 https://itunes.apple.com/ca/app/sketchbook-pro-for-ipad/id36... Nonetheless I certainly don't agree with raganwald. They seem to believe that there are two options of which one must win. In actuality there are thousands of options, and all of them can win in their niche. In this case it's a guy who sketches online comics. I appreciate their review and completely get where they're coming from, but the things that are valuable to them are not at all valuable to me.
  - raganwald 14y ago
    Amusing disclosure: The Sketchbook Team Lead is a long-time friend of mine. Sketchbook was developed in Toronto by Alias software just a few blocks from where I worked at KL Group on JProbe "back in the day." So I'm extremely familiar with the fact that it runs on iPads :-)
- jamesgeck0 14y ago
  Both Portal 2 and League of Legends run well on low end integrated graphics cards. The iPad may not have those particular games, but Unreal Engine 3 games are generally more demanding than Source Engine games, and there are several UE3 titles on iOS.
  - pmelendez 14y ago
    I had worked with Unreal Engine in both PC and the Ipad and the performance difference was abysmal. In order to make it run we had to downsize the art and make several optimizations. The last time I ran that game was on an Ipad 2 so that might changed with the last generation, but giving that experience I find very impressive that Surface Pro can run PC games out of the box in a satisfactory way.