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why is that creepy? Both websites are related through a retargeter. One sends the data over to the other. It's just like they were the same websites or same cor

why is that creepy? Both websites are related through a retargeter. One sends the data over to the other. It's just like they were the same websites or same corporation. If you don't like this then you can avoid theses websites that sell/buy your information. Although that's a good chunk of the Internet. Just make sure you send private information to trusted sites only.

ihsw 14y ago
Because it's not opt-in and there's no way to opt-out.
- maxerickson 14y ago
  It's more correct to say that the ways to opt out are esoteric. Something like RequestPolicy allows the user to opt out of everything.
  - eksith 14y ago
    It's more correct to say that the ways to opt out are esoteric. And it's also disingenuous. If the default is opt-in (and that's never OK, regardless of your rationalisations) and opt-out is hidden somewhere on the 8th subpage of a company you've never heard of or will likely never know about without view-source. I can count on one finger the number of times I've seen the source of a targetted ad... the middle one. Self-governance does not work when the power of technology is asymmetric. Whether it's cookies, spam or nuclear weapons, deterrence is the only effective solution.
    - maxerickson 14y ago
      You are incorrectly pigeonholing me here.
ricardobeat 14y ago
If you don't like being filmed in public and face-tracked everywhere you go, just don't ever leave home. Can you picture yourself saying that in 10 years?
- brugidou 14y ago
  You are not identifiable from an ad cookie AFAIK and the country I live in has laws preventing companies to abuse in collecting personal data (like IP address) This is far from being on video. And a lot of places have cameras now in addition to people with phones and maybe Google Glass in the future?
  - ricardobeat 14y ago
    The face tracking could work anonymously too, and we'd have laws "preventing abuse". When you enter a shop the sales girl already knows exactly what you want because you looked at it on a competitor's store. Video is just a means. It's exactly like retargeting, just using different data sources; we can't let this become acceptable.
majormajor 14y ago
One big creepy part is that people share computers. Used to be that someone could try to dig through your history if they wanted to (but most people didn't), but now some of your history gets pushed right to them. I'm looking at you, Amazon banner ads that feature products I browsed recently. (This is lots of fun because I often use Amazon solely to get info on a product that I may have no intention at all of purchasing.)
- X-Istence 14y ago
  No Amazon I am not interesting a my little pony book, a vibrating pink dildo or a 55 gallon drum of lube. I was visiting those items because I was linked to them due to people posting funny comments on the items, I have absolutely no interest in them. Although, at some level I do find the way that Amazon does their targeting can be fairly accurate.

ihsw 14y ago

Because it's not opt-in and there's no way to opt-out.

maxerickson 14y ago
It's more correct to say that the ways to opt out are esoteric. Something like RequestPolicy allows the user to opt out of everything.
- eksith 14y ago
  It's more correct to say that the ways to opt out are esoteric. And it's also disingenuous. If the default is opt-in (and that's never OK, regardless of your rationalisations) and opt-out is hidden somewhere on the 8th subpage of a company you've never heard of or will likely never know about without view-source. I can count on one finger the number of times I've seen the source of a targetted ad... the middle one. Self-governance does not work when the power of technology is asymmetric. Whether it's cookies, spam or nuclear weapons, deterrence is the only effective solution.
  - maxerickson 14y ago
    You are incorrectly pigeonholing me here.

ricardobeat 14y ago

If you don't like being filmed in public and face-tracked everywhere you go, just don't ever leave home. Can you picture yourself saying that in 10 years?

brugidou 14y ago
You are not identifiable from an ad cookie AFAIK and the country I live in has laws preventing companies to abuse in collecting personal data (like IP address) This is far from being on video. And a lot of places have cameras now in addition to people with phones and maybe Google Glass in the future?
- ricardobeat 14y ago
  The face tracking could work anonymously too, and we'd have laws "preventing abuse". When you enter a shop the sales girl already knows exactly what you want because you looked at it on a competitor's store. Video is just a means. It's exactly like retargeting, just using different data sources; we can't let this become acceptable.

majormajor 14y ago

One big creepy part is that people share computers. Used to be that someone could try to dig through your history if they wanted to (but most people didn't), but now some of your history gets pushed right to them. I'm looking at you, Amazon banner ads that feature products I browsed recently. (This is lots of fun because I often use Amazon solely to get info on a product that I may have no intention at all of purchasing.)

X-Istence 14y ago
No Amazon I am not interesting a my little pony book, a vibrating pink dildo or a 55 gallon drum of lube. I was visiting those items because I was linked to them due to people posting funny comments on the items, I have absolutely no interest in them. Although, at some level I do find the way that Amazon does their targeting can be fairly accurate.