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being a foreigner within it despite holding citizenship Wait... are you one of those exceeedingly rare Japanese citizens who have no Japanese blood ancestry or

by drucken 14y ago

being a foreigner within it despite holding citizenship Wait... are you one of those exceeedingly rare Japanese citizens who have no Japanese blood ancestry or are you just foreign-born Japanese? And I do agree with you. Japan is a leading indicator in many respects.

anigbrowl 14y ago
By marriage for a number of years. It doesn't make me an expert but it did give me a first hand perspective.
lifeisstillgood 14y ago
Sorry to butt in - is that " no Japanese blood ancestry" like Arnie has no American blood ancestry (ie is a naturalised citizen). Is that exceedingly rare? I am surprised, I would assume the Japanese equivalent of a green card would be highly sought after for much the same reasons
- T-R 14y ago
  The timeframe for getting citizenship in Japan is quite long, and from what I've heard from all those I know who have it, largely not worth it - if you don't look Japanese, you will generally continue to be treated as not Japanese. Landlords who refuse to rent to foreigners on the basis that you might book it out of the country will still not rent to you, and customs/immigration workers will still consider you a foreigner. It also just potentially introduces you to a new set of bureaucratic problems, all with forms that simply don't account for the possibility of a non-Japanese name.
- wisty 14y ago
  Japan considers citizenship to be via decent. It doesn't matter where you are born, unless your parents are Japanese you are not either. Naturalisation is an option - about 10,000 Koreans in Japan become citizens every year; out of 600,000. Obviously, it's not an easy process. If a child would otherwise be stateless, then they will acquire Japanese citizenship if they are born in Japan. But since Korea has a similar system, Korean children aren't stateless, they are Koreans.
  - mc32 14y ago
    This also has exceptions. People of Japanese ancestry, not mixed, or anything, from Brazil and Peru, are treated as 'foreigners' just the same, even if they look like any other Japanese, with the exception, their families migrated abroad and that they may have picked up some South American manners and such along the way.
- veidr 14y ago
  Citizenship is not the equivalent of an American green card. In Japan, that would be Permanent Residency (永住権). A person with no Japanese ancestry becoming a citizen is exceedingly rare. It does happen, but not very often, and the process is onerous. Applying for PR is more common, but still a burdensome procedure and is ostensibly only granted to those who either have a direct connection to Japanese family, either through ancestry or marriage (especially marriage resulting in procreation), or who have achieved some kind of major conventionally recognized accomplishment (e.g., winning the Nobel Prize): http://www.moj.go.jp/content/000096661.pdf http://www.moj.go.jp/content/000096661.pdf

by drucken 14y ago

anigbrowl 14y ago

By marriage for a number of years. It doesn't make me an expert but it did give me a first hand perspective.

lifeisstillgood 14y ago

Sorry to butt in - is that " no Japanese blood ancestry" like Arnie has no American blood ancestry (ie is a naturalised citizen). Is that exceedingly rare? I am surprised, I would assume the Japanese equivalent of a green card would be highly sought after for much the same reasons

T-R 14y ago
The timeframe for getting citizenship in Japan is quite long, and from what I've heard from all those I know who have it, largely not worth it - if you don't look Japanese, you will generally continue to be treated as not Japanese. Landlords who refuse to rent to foreigners on the basis that you might book it out of the country will still not rent to you, and customs/immigration workers will still consider you a foreigner. It also just potentially introduces you to a new set of bureaucratic problems, all with forms that simply don't account for the possibility of a non-Japanese name.
wisty 14y ago
Japan considers citizenship to be via decent. It doesn't matter where you are born, unless your parents are Japanese you are not either. Naturalisation is an option - about 10,000 Koreans in Japan become citizens every year; out of 600,000. Obviously, it's not an easy process. If a child would otherwise be stateless, then they will acquire Japanese citizenship if they are born in Japan. But since Korea has a similar system, Korean children aren't stateless, they are Koreans.
- mc32 14y ago
  This also has exceptions. People of Japanese ancestry, not mixed, or anything, from Brazil and Peru, are treated as 'foreigners' just the same, even if they look like any other Japanese, with the exception, their families migrated abroad and that they may have picked up some South American manners and such along the way.
veidr 14y ago
Citizenship is not the equivalent of an American green card. In Japan, that would be Permanent Residency (永住権). A person with no Japanese ancestry becoming a citizen is exceedingly rare. It does happen, but not very often, and the process is onerous. Applying for PR is more common, but still a burdensome procedure and is ostensibly only granted to those who either have a direct connection to Japanese family, either through ancestry or marriage (especially marriage resulting in procreation), or who have achieved some kind of major conventionally recognized accomplishment (e.g., winning the Nobel Prize): http://www.moj.go.jp/content/000096661.pdf http://www.moj.go.jp/content/000096661.pdf