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We're talking about getting rid of civillian arms, not the arms held by the military or even police officers. Every example you have given is a war between nat

We're talking about getting rid of civillian arms, not the arms held by the military or even police officers. Every example you have given is a war between nations. If you want to play historian, give me an example where there was a better civil outcome when guns were used to overthrow tyranny, or tyrannical ideas. I'll start with the peaceful examples: Egypt, India, US Civil Rights, Women's Suffrage etc... Ideas change the world, not guns. And while you're at it, maybe you could tell me how your little handgun is going to protect you from the next Cuban Missile Crisis? You must be a hellofa shot!

notdrunkatall 14y ago
>give me an example America. ... You people are dense to the point of complete idiocy. My point is that the current period of prosperous peace (relatively speaking) will certainly not last forever. Wars are a fact of life, and when they happen, regimes fall and power vacuums arise. Sometimes, those vacuums are filled not by the most capable (and rarely by the most benevolent) but by the most ambitious. Given the history of the human race, it would be foolish to believe that there will never be another Mao, Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot, et al, and on a long enough timeline, it would be incredibly foolish to believe that there will never be one in your neck of the woods, wherever that may be. What are you going to do when you've been labeled an enemy of the state and your friends and family are being shuttled off to a labor camp? Write a strongly worded fucking letter? Guns are our insurance policy that we will not be easily oppressed, whether by a foreign invader or our own government, and that you people have such a difficult time accepting this obvious truth is utterly baffling.
- darkchasma 14y ago
  America? The war where the tyrannical overreaching government wanted to take away people's right to own other people and enforce more control over the states than the southern states wanted? Because the government; it won. (I'm pretty happy it did too!) :) So, yea... Great example.
  - notdrunkatall 14y ago
    Yes, that America - where people were able to stand up for what they believed in and fight and die for that belief if they so chose. That is precisely the America that I am talking about. And do you know why the South lost? Because the majority of America was not on board with slavery. It was an idea whose time had come to die, and die it did, though not without a fight. Can you guess which side the majority would be on in a situation where the majority were being oppressed? What a stupid fucking point you're trying to make.
    - darkchasma 14y ago
      So the lives of thousands and thousands of men is better than say... a referendum?

notdrunkatall 14y ago

>give me an example America. ... You people are dense to the point of complete idiocy. My point is that the current period of prosperous peace (relatively speaking) will certainly not last forever. Wars are a fact of life, and when they happen, regimes fall and power vacuums arise. Sometimes, those vacuums are filled not by the most capable (and rarely by the most benevolent) but by the most ambitious. Given the history of the human race, it would be foolish to believe that there will never be another Mao, Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot, et al, and on a long enough timeline, it would be incredibly foolish to believe that there will never be one in your neck of the woods, wherever that may be. What are you going to do when you've been labeled an enemy of the state and your friends and family are being shuttled off to a labor camp? Write a strongly worded fucking letter? Guns are our insurance policy that we will not be easily oppressed, whether by a foreign invader or our own government, and that you people have such a difficult time accepting this obvious truth is utterly baffling.

darkchasma 14y ago
America? The war where the tyrannical overreaching government wanted to take away people's right to own other people and enforce more control over the states than the southern states wanted? Because the government; it won. (I'm pretty happy it did too!) :) So, yea... Great example.
- notdrunkatall 14y ago
  Yes, that America - where people were able to stand up for what they believed in and fight and die for that belief if they so chose. That is precisely the America that I am talking about. And do you know why the South lost? Because the majority of America was not on board with slavery. It was an idea whose time had come to die, and die it did, though not without a fight. Can you guess which side the majority would be on in a situation where the majority were being oppressed? What a stupid fucking point you're trying to make.
  - darkchasma 14y ago
    So the lives of thousands and thousands of men is better than say... a referendum?