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> Android: sell your soul to Google. Nobody is forcing you to use Google apps on an Android device. If the market decides that the Google experience is subpar,

> Android: sell your soul to Google. Nobody is forcing you to use Google apps on an Android device. If the market decides that the Google experience is subpar, they will be replaced. This has already sort of happened with the Kindle Fire. It forced Google to respond with a better device (the Nexus 7).

happycube 14y ago
In fact, you could unlock the bootloader on any Nexus device, load Cyanogenmod, and not deal with anything Google aside from the core OS, using fdroid to get free software apps.
- Nerdfest 14y ago
  You actually don't even need any connection to Google even on their own Nexus devices.
eropple 14y ago
> If the market decides that the Google experience is subpar, they will be replaced. "The market" has done no such thing (the atrocious Kindle Fires excepted) so if you have a beef with the "Google experience" (I personally don't) you're pretty much screwed. There are no good, Google-free options for Android. I don't find that to be a problem but I can understand why others would.
- w1ntermute 14y ago
  > "The market" has done no such thing (the atrocious Kindle Fires excepted) so if you have a beef with the "Google experience" (I personally don't) you're pretty much screwed. Because the market has decided that it likes the Google experience.
  - eropple 14y ago
    "The market" being willing to purchase something is not a referendum on quality or on individual desirability. It is a measure of acceptance, not like; by that sort of assumption, "the market" also "likes" having their bowel movements tracked by Facebook. Maybe people don't know of alternatives to the Google experience. Maybe the alternatives are too different, as with the Fires. Maybe the alternatives are badly executed. None of this means that the holy market likes the Google experience, only that they are willing to buy it. And let's get one thing really very straight: the rhetorical appeal to "the market" is a bald-faced attempt to discredit differing opinions. It's argumentum ad populum fanboy crap. Stop it.

happycube 14y ago

In fact, you could unlock the bootloader on any Nexus device, load Cyanogenmod, and not deal with anything Google aside from the core OS, using fdroid to get free software apps.

Nerdfest 14y ago
You actually don't even need any connection to Google even on their own Nexus devices.

eropple 14y ago

> If the market decides that the Google experience is subpar, they will be replaced. "The market" has done no such thing (the atrocious Kindle Fires excepted) so if you have a beef with the "Google experience" (I personally don't) you're pretty much screwed. There are no good, Google-free options for Android. I don't find that to be a problem but I can understand why others would.

w1ntermute 14y ago
> "The market" has done no such thing (the atrocious Kindle Fires excepted) so if you have a beef with the "Google experience" (I personally don't) you're pretty much screwed. Because the market has decided that it likes the Google experience.
- eropple 14y ago
  "The market" being willing to purchase something is not a referendum on quality or on individual desirability. It is a measure of acceptance, not like; by that sort of assumption, "the market" also "likes" having their bowel movements tracked by Facebook. Maybe people don't know of alternatives to the Google experience. Maybe the alternatives are too different, as with the Fires. Maybe the alternatives are badly executed. None of this means that the holy market likes the Google experience, only that they are willing to buy it. And let's get one thing really very straight: the rhetorical appeal to "the market" is a bald-faced attempt to discredit differing opinions. It's argumentum ad populum fanboy crap. Stop it.