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3D Real-time Unigine Crypt demo (WebGL)

79 points by KwanEsq 14y ago

nine_k 14y ago
All I see is a slideshow of nicely rendered images. Yes, my browser is capable of WebGL.
- azakai 14y ago
  Press "Launch Demo".
- fletchowns 14y ago
  Maybe click the big LAUNCH DEMO button?
  - apaprocki 14y ago
    Just pointing out on an Air, the 'Launch Demo' is completely below the fold and you don't even realize there is more to the page. Yay for UX :)
    - havok 14y ago
      I don't get it. How have 90% of start up websites not conditioned you to scroll below the fold? Scrolling is more pervasive today in UX than it was 10 years ago. (See: Bootstrap)
- aroman 14y ago
  ..did you run the demo? It actually generates those in WebGL not as still frames but as real, dynamic scenes which are panned through. In fact, I was utterly blown away by how smooth (absolutely lag free and very fluid) yet detailed this demo was. Very impressive.
  - xkcdfanboy 14y ago
    I'm suspect about how there are no movement controls. It's all prescripted. There aren't any physics either. Not impressive.
    - drivebyacct2 14y ago
      Since you're so unimpressed. https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/demos/detail/bananabread https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/demos/detail/bananabread
    - duaneb 14y ago
      I think this is quite impressive. As for the movement controls and physics, both introduce complexity completely unnecessary for a tech demo. ...you do realize this isn't a game, right?
      - shadowmint 14y ago
        Nonsense. There is nothing compelling about WebGL except that it is interactive. If I wanted a non-interactive scene that repeats, I could do it in anything and upload it as a video on youtube. Dynamic interactive 3d is the exciting thing about webGL and it is the the thing missing from this demo, so I too, am disappoint.
- bd 14y ago
  Did you try it in Firefox? For me it gets stuck on "Loading..." in Chrome (Windows 7, Nvidia) but it runs fine in Firefox. Edit: here are error messages from console: [STDOUT] Could not create canvas - TypeError: Cannot read property 'inspectContext' of undefined game-setup.js:11 Uncaught TypeError: Cannot call method 'viewport' of undefined allengine_no_native.js:89 Edit2: Mystery solved, apparently problems are caused by some clashes with WebGL Inspector Chrome extension. Demo works after disabling it.
  - arcatek 14y ago
    No problem here with Chrome (Windows 8, Nvidia).
KwanEsq 14y ago
This was submitted via the source I got it from (Mozilla Future Releases blog), and directly to the demo page, a couple of days ago by AndrewDucker, but unfortunately got little attention https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5251980 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5251980 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5252075 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5252075
- DanielRibeiro 14y ago
  The problem, it seems, is that the titles were a little Editorialized. Which can get it flagged, as doing this is against the HN guidelines. But, from my experience[1], WebGL topics have a hard time getting tracktion on Hacker News. I'm glad this got traction this time. It really is an impressive demo. [1] http://www.hnsearch.com/search#request/submissions&q=webgl+by%3ADanielRibeiro&sortby=points+asc http://www.hnsearch.com/search#request/submissions&q=web...
mtgx 14y ago
So when is Unigine going to launch a cross-platform OpenGL ES 2.0/3.0 benchmark for Android and iOS? They seem to have it for everything else except mobile.
ctdonath 14y ago
Bravo! Very nice smoothing on the angel statue closeup. Framerate was a bit low but maybe that's just me (Mid 2010 MBP 15"). Keep at it!
Groxx 14y ago
Since I was having trouble understanding what the impressive part is here (low polys, (apparently) static lighting, and bump mapping at smooth frame rates have been WebGL tech demos for a while), so I found some more context: Uningine's news entry: http://unigine.com/news/2013/02/20/crypt-in-browser http://unigine.com/news/2013/02/20/crypt-in-browser A video of the demo they're running: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azKNaRD221M http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azKNaRD221M Obviously they haven't implemented / turned off the bells and whistles. Which conflicts a bit with the news entry, which says "with all visual effects". Does anyone know how much they have implemented? I'm interested, but more information seems hard to find.
- bd 14y ago
  This WebGL demo is apparently a port of Unigine Crypt which is a mobile version of Unigine Sanctuary (running on Tegra 2): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vX25STzOdtM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vX25STzOdtM
mistercow 14y ago
In Chrome, all I see is lighting effects occluded by solid black (unshaded) shapes. This is similar to what I see in the BananaBread demo in Chrome. Works fine in Firefox, but as is typical for WebGL demos in Firefox on my machine, looks like about 10 fps.
- thefreeman 14y ago
  works fine in chrome for me
- edwintorok 14y ago
  I got a lot of these errors on the console for Chrome: .WebGLRenderingContext: GL ERROR :GL_INVALID_ENUM : glCompressedTexImage2D: internal_format was GL_COMPRESSED_RGBA_S3TC_DXT1_EXT Turns out it requires S3TC compression which is not supported in Mesa drivers by default (only decompression is). After installing libtxc_dxtn.so it worked just fine in Chrome. Also it doesn't work with Firefox 10.0.12, even if I enable WebGL. It does work with latest nightly (Firefox 22.0a1) though.
  - mistercow 14y ago
    Aha! Installing the libtxc_dxtn_s2tc0 package fixed it, and it ran smoothly (with a small periodic stutter). That fixed BananaBread too (well, it's still buggy, but sometimes it works correctly). That package seriously needs to be a default for Ubuntu, given how many WebGL pages I've seen it break.
    - edwintorok 14y ago
      Another solution is to: "export force_s3tc_enable=true" (or equivalent setting in ~/.drirc) since only decompression is needed.
- ohazi 14y ago
  I'm on a dual GPU system running Linux + bumblebee. When using the Sandy Bridge GPU, I also see all black with only the lighting highlights visible. Just tried again with the nVidia GPU and it worked fine. I really like WebGL, and I want it to succeed, but for this to happen developers are going to have to make sure that their code works on reasonably low end hardware (i.e. integrated graphics). This sort of GPU inconsistency is so common with WebGL right now that it reminds me of trying to browse the web on Linux circa 2000. Not a pleasant experience.
zobzu 14y ago
That is cool. and it works well. Even on my linux laptop. Also on Firefox. In fact, it seems faster in Firefox than Chrome. Maybe because its been dev with Firefox as test platform or something.. I wonder.
bvdbijl 14y ago
This works really well in the Chrome beta browser on my nexus 7
LAMike 14y ago
Wow. Amazing demo, can't wait for WebGL animated movies that look this good!
TazeTSchnitzel 14y ago
They blatantly copied, ripped-off even, the Mozilla BananaBread loading page, even copying the Mozilla bar. Why?
- azakai 14y ago
  All that stuff is open source, so nothing wrong here. (I'm one of the people that works on BananaBread.)
- ZoFreX 14y ago
  I'm only speculating, but perhaps they literally copied it - BananaBread is under the BSD license.
  - TazeTSchnitzel 14y ago
    Is the mozilla bar thing, though?
    - ZoFreX 14y ago
      Oh, I see what you mean now. Yeah, that seems odd.
      - TazeTSchnitzel 14y ago
        Ah, it's under the MPL, they're allowed to copy it: http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/tabzilla/tabzilla.js http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/tabzilla/tabzilla.js http://crypt-webgl.unigine.com/js/tabzilla.js http://crypt-webgl.unigine.com/js/tabzilla.js
Maro 14y ago
Whenever I see demos like this, I wonder why we don't have full-blown WebGL games out there? What are the limiting factors? Can somebody explain the issues?
jrabone 14y ago
I'm afraid it's glitchy, and there's something horrible happening on the square panel above the door - looks like two flats superimposed, or transparency moire, or some such. Sorry, but I'm not especially impressed - this is on a high end desktop machine custom built for gaming at 1920 x 1200(core i7, 12GB RAM, GTX670s etc.) - there's no hardware reason for it not to be perfect. Running Chrome 24.0.1312.57 on Windows 7 64 bit. It didn't run on my Nexus 7 (no WebGL found) but then I'm not running a beta version of Chrome. Perhaps that would be the impressive bit. EDIT: updated Chrome to 25.0.1364.97 m (the latest) and got the "Aw, Snap!" dead tab on reloading. State of web development as expected. Perhaps THAT'S why there aren't any AAA titles on WebGL...
itistoday2 14y ago
Stuck at Loading... after successfully loading several Loading... screens. Gotta say I've never been so impressed with the loading capabilities of a game engine before. FF 19.0 OS 10.8.2.
iam 14y ago
This has quite a way to go. I'm running Firefox 18 on my Radeon HD 6970 card (high end gaming grade) and there's quite a bit of stuttering every few seconds. Maybe the javascript garbage collection?

79 points by KwanEsq 14y ago

nine_k 14y ago

All I see is a slideshow of nicely rendered images. Yes, my browser is capable of WebGL.

azakai 14y ago
Press "Launch Demo".
fletchowns 14y ago
Maybe click the big LAUNCH DEMO button?
- apaprocki 14y ago
  Just pointing out on an Air, the 'Launch Demo' is completely below the fold and you don't even realize there is more to the page. Yay for UX :)
  - havok 14y ago
    I don't get it. How have 90% of start up websites not conditioned you to scroll below the fold? Scrolling is more pervasive today in UX than it was 10 years ago. (See: Bootstrap)
aroman 14y ago
..did you run the demo? It actually generates those in WebGL not as still frames but as real, dynamic scenes which are panned through. In fact, I was utterly blown away by how smooth (absolutely lag free and very fluid) yet detailed this demo was. Very impressive.
- xkcdfanboy 14y ago
  I'm suspect about how there are no movement controls. It's all prescripted. There aren't any physics either. Not impressive.
  - drivebyacct2 14y ago
    Since you're so unimpressed. https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/demos/detail/bananabread https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/demos/detail/bananabread
  - duaneb 14y ago
    I think this is quite impressive. As for the movement controls and physics, both introduce complexity completely unnecessary for a tech demo. ...you do realize this isn't a game, right?
    - shadowmint 14y ago
      Nonsense. There is nothing compelling about WebGL except that it is interactive. If I wanted a non-interactive scene that repeats, I could do it in anything and upload it as a video on youtube. Dynamic interactive 3d is the exciting thing about webGL and it is the the thing missing from this demo, so I too, am disappoint.
bd 14y ago
Did you try it in Firefox? For me it gets stuck on "Loading..." in Chrome (Windows 7, Nvidia) but it runs fine in Firefox. Edit: here are error messages from console: [STDOUT] Could not create canvas - TypeError: Cannot read property 'inspectContext' of undefined game-setup.js:11 Uncaught TypeError: Cannot call method 'viewport' of undefined allengine_no_native.js:89 Edit2: Mystery solved, apparently problems are caused by some clashes with WebGL Inspector Chrome extension. Demo works after disabling it.
- arcatek 14y ago
  No problem here with Chrome (Windows 8, Nvidia).

KwanEsq 14y ago

This was submitted via the source I got it from (Mozilla Future Releases blog), and directly to the demo page, a couple of days ago by AndrewDucker, but unfortunately got little attention https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5251980 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5251980 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5252075 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5252075

DanielRibeiro 14y ago
The problem, it seems, is that the titles were a little Editorialized. Which can get it flagged, as doing this is against the HN guidelines. But, from my experience[1], WebGL topics have a hard time getting tracktion on Hacker News. I'm glad this got traction this time. It really is an impressive demo. [1] http://www.hnsearch.com/search#request/submissions&q=webgl+by%3ADanielRibeiro&sortby=points+asc http://www.hnsearch.com/search#request/submissions&q=web...

mtgx 14y ago

So when is Unigine going to launch a cross-platform OpenGL ES 2.0/3.0 benchmark for Android and iOS? They seem to have it for everything else except mobile.

ctdonath 14y ago

Bravo! Very nice smoothing on the angel statue closeup. Framerate was a bit low but maybe that's just me (Mid 2010 MBP 15"). Keep at it!

Groxx 14y ago

Since I was having trouble understanding what the impressive part is here (low polys, (apparently) static lighting, and bump mapping at smooth frame rates have been WebGL tech demos for a while), so I found some more context: Uningine's news entry: http://unigine.com/news/2013/02/20/crypt-in-browser http://unigine.com/news/2013/02/20/crypt-in-browser A video of the demo they're running: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azKNaRD221M http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azKNaRD221M Obviously they haven't implemented / turned off the bells and whistles. Which conflicts a bit with the news entry, which says "with all visual effects". Does anyone know how much they have implemented? I'm interested, but more information seems hard to find.

bd 14y ago
This WebGL demo is apparently a port of Unigine Crypt which is a mobile version of Unigine Sanctuary (running on Tegra 2): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vX25STzOdtM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vX25STzOdtM

mistercow 14y ago

In Chrome, all I see is lighting effects occluded by solid black (unshaded) shapes. This is similar to what I see in the BananaBread demo in Chrome. Works fine in Firefox, but as is typical for WebGL demos in Firefox on my machine, looks like about 10 fps.

thefreeman 14y ago
works fine in chrome for me
edwintorok 14y ago
I got a lot of these errors on the console for Chrome: .WebGLRenderingContext: GL ERROR :GL_INVALID_ENUM : glCompressedTexImage2D: internal_format was GL_COMPRESSED_RGBA_S3TC_DXT1_EXT Turns out it requires S3TC compression which is not supported in Mesa drivers by default (only decompression is). After installing libtxc_dxtn.so it worked just fine in Chrome. Also it doesn't work with Firefox 10.0.12, even if I enable WebGL. It does work with latest nightly (Firefox 22.0a1) though.
- mistercow 14y ago
  Aha! Installing the libtxc_dxtn_s2tc0 package fixed it, and it ran smoothly (with a small periodic stutter). That fixed BananaBread too (well, it's still buggy, but sometimes it works correctly). That package seriously needs to be a default for Ubuntu, given how many WebGL pages I've seen it break.
  - edwintorok 14y ago
    Another solution is to: "export force_s3tc_enable=true" (or equivalent setting in ~/.drirc) since only decompression is needed.
ohazi 14y ago
I'm on a dual GPU system running Linux + bumblebee. When using the Sandy Bridge GPU, I also see all black with only the lighting highlights visible. Just tried again with the nVidia GPU and it worked fine. I really like WebGL, and I want it to succeed, but for this to happen developers are going to have to make sure that their code works on reasonably low end hardware (i.e. integrated graphics). This sort of GPU inconsistency is so common with WebGL right now that it reminds me of trying to browse the web on Linux circa 2000. Not a pleasant experience.

zobzu 14y ago

That is cool. and it works well. Even on my linux laptop. Also on Firefox. In fact, it seems faster in Firefox than Chrome. Maybe because its been dev with Firefox as test platform or something.. I wonder.

bvdbijl 14y ago

This works really well in the Chrome beta browser on my nexus 7

LAMike 14y ago

Wow. Amazing demo, can't wait for WebGL animated movies that look this good!

TazeTSchnitzel 14y ago

They blatantly copied, ripped-off even, the Mozilla BananaBread loading page, even copying the Mozilla bar. Why?

azakai 14y ago
All that stuff is open source, so nothing wrong here. (I'm one of the people that works on BananaBread.)
ZoFreX 14y ago
I'm only speculating, but perhaps they literally copied it - BananaBread is under the BSD license.
- TazeTSchnitzel 14y ago
  Is the mozilla bar thing, though?
  - ZoFreX 14y ago
    Oh, I see what you mean now. Yeah, that seems odd.
    - TazeTSchnitzel 14y ago
      Ah, it's under the MPL, they're allowed to copy it: http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/tabzilla/tabzilla.js http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/tabzilla/tabzilla.js http://crypt-webgl.unigine.com/js/tabzilla.js http://crypt-webgl.unigine.com/js/tabzilla.js

Maro 14y ago

Whenever I see demos like this, I wonder why we don't have full-blown WebGL games out there? What are the limiting factors? Can somebody explain the issues?

jrabone 14y ago

I'm afraid it's glitchy, and there's something horrible happening on the square panel above the door - looks like two flats superimposed, or transparency moire, or some such. Sorry, but I'm not especially impressed - this is on a high end desktop machine custom built for gaming at 1920 x 1200(core i7, 12GB RAM, GTX670s etc.) - there's no hardware reason for it not to be perfect. Running Chrome 24.0.1312.57 on Windows 7 64 bit. It didn't run on my Nexus 7 (no WebGL found) but then I'm not running a beta version of Chrome. Perhaps that would be the impressive bit. EDIT: updated Chrome to 25.0.1364.97 m (the latest) and got the "Aw, Snap!" dead tab on reloading. State of web development as expected. Perhaps THAT'S why there aren't any AAA titles on WebGL...

itistoday2 14y ago

Stuck at Loading... after successfully loading several Loading... screens. Gotta say I've never been so impressed with the loading capabilities of a game engine before. FF 19.0 OS 10.8.2.

iam 14y ago

This has quite a way to go. I'm running Firefox 18 on my Radeon HD 6970 card (high end gaming grade) and there's quite a bit of stuttering every few seconds. Maybe the javascript garbage collection?