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I feel like they missed the point of this petition. The decision is to make all federal agencies with $100mil+ research stipends publish findings, but this does

I feel like they missed the point of this petition. The decision is to make all federal agencies with $100mil+ research stipends publish findings, but this does nothing to change the Journal-Paywall system.

price 14y ago
No, it's much broader than to make the agencies publish the results of their own research -- they're to make sure the results of the research they fund is available. That covers the vast majority of scientific research in the United States. The journals might still have paywalls on their own sites, but what's the impact of a paywall when the exact same paper is on the open web where Google can index it? The allowance for a 12-month embargo is a bummer -- I'd rather research be available to the public immediately when it's published -- but there's a ton of research out there more than a year old, so this is a great advance. A sibling comment linked to Peter Suber's reaction: https://plus.google.com/109377556796183035206/posts/8hzviMJeVHJ https://plus.google.com/109377556796183035206/posts/8hzviMJe... Suber has been following this issue for a long time and written more about it than anyone, so his interpretation carries weight.
rikacomet 14y ago
care to explain please? the Journal-Paywall system?
- mmanfrin 14y ago
  Research by individuals granted public grants is generally only published in scientific journals that cost thousands of dollars -- which means that normal people have a very difficult time of accessing research that they contributed (via taxes) to the funding of.
  - ig1 14y ago
    "make the results of federally-funded research publically available free of charge within 12 months after original publication."" Hence this research will have to be made available freely.
    - rikacomet 14y ago
      I don't get it, why limit the clause? why not make all research (not-related to defense/military) funded by tax payers to THE taxpayers? why put limits, like 100 million, federal/state, etc??? were no lessons learnt from Aaron's case?
      - michaelhoffman 14y ago
        The White House doesn't have control over research funded entirely by state taxpayers.
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price 14y ago

No, it's much broader than to make the agencies publish the results of their own research -- they're to make sure the results of the research they fund is available. That covers the vast majority of scientific research in the United States. The journals might still have paywalls on their own sites, but what's the impact of a paywall when the exact same paper is on the open web where Google can index it? The allowance for a 12-month embargo is a bummer -- I'd rather research be available to the public immediately when it's published -- but there's a ton of research out there more than a year old, so this is a great advance. A sibling comment linked to Peter Suber's reaction: https://plus.google.com/109377556796183035206/posts/8hzviMJeVHJ https://plus.google.com/109377556796183035206/posts/8hzviMJe... Suber has been following this issue for a long time and written more about it than anyone, so his interpretation carries weight.

rikacomet 14y ago

care to explain please? the Journal-Paywall system?

mmanfrin 14y ago
Research by individuals granted public grants is generally only published in scientific journals that cost thousands of dollars -- which means that normal people have a very difficult time of accessing research that they contributed (via taxes) to the funding of.
- ig1 14y ago
  "make the results of federally-funded research publically available free of charge within 12 months after original publication."" Hence this research will have to be made available freely.
  - rikacomet 14y ago
    I don't get it, why limit the clause? why not make all research (not-related to defense/military) funded by tax payers to THE taxpayers? why put limits, like 100 million, federal/state, etc??? were no lessons learnt from Aaron's case?
    - michaelhoffman 14y ago
      The White House doesn't have control over research funded entirely by state taxpayers.
    - deleted 14y ago
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