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Do you have some stats to back that up? What is the non white population in Norway? The cia worldbook seems to say it is over 94%: https://www.cia.gov/libra

Do you have some stats to back that up? What is the non white population in Norway? The cia worldbook seems to say it is over 94%: https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/fields/2075.html https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/...

speeder 14y ago
Cia Factbook on norway: Norwegians + Sami 94.4% Other europeans: 3.6% Sweden according to wikipedia (and CIA factbook) has most of the population being Swede + Sami Cia factbook on United States: 79.96% are white, but this include some hispanics. Brazil the most recent census (I will find the link to IBGE site later) is about 45% of the population being white. almost 50% being mixed race (usually between black and white) 5% black (and some below 1% minorities).
bjornsing 14y ago
As irrefutable proof I give you Fox News: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2qTdFX6thg&t=0m13s http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2qTdFX6thg&t=0m13s. ;) I live in Malmö and IMHO FN didn't quite live up to it's "fair and balanced" motto here. :) On a more serious note I'd say the nordic countries are much more homogeneous than the US, ethnically and politically.
- dalke 14y ago
  Politically? I moved to Göteborg a few years back. The day after I arrived was May Day. The Socialists, Marxists, Marxist-Leninists, Social Democrats, Leftists, and Red Front political parties each had their own march. Then of course the Christian Democrats, the Moderates, Center Party, and the Green Party are 5 of the 8 parties with representation in Parliament. (The Pirate Party has 2 people representing Sweden in the European Parliament.) In the US there's the two major parties, and Bernie Sanders as the only self-described socialist in Congress. In non-national offices there is a handful of Greens and Libertarians. When was the last time you saw people who were self-described as something other than Republican, Democrat, or independent as a regular commentator on a political discussion show in the US? That seems like a lack of political diversity in the US, compared to Sweden.
  - ptaipale 14y ago
    parties each had their own march Sure, but they were all Protestant Social Democrats, nevertheless. I mean, they may call themselves Marxists or Sweden Democrats or Red Front or whatever, but still they'll fundamentally believe in a society where everything's lagom. But of course there's been political diversity in the Nordics; however e.g. the likes of Arvo Kustaa Halberg were a bit too politically diverse to live in Finland so moved to the U.S.
    - dalke 14y ago
      All Protestant Social Democrats? Here I thought only the Social Democrats were Social Democrats. I think you mean 'social democrats', meaning the belief and not membership in the party named 'Social Democrats.' To think that the Christian Democrats, which were founded out of the movement against removing religious education from elementary schools and is most strong with the evangelical Christians, has the same idea of "lagom" as the Left Party is like saying that the US parties are the same because they all support a free market. All Protestant? Given the number of atheists in Sweden, that's also unlikely. I looked up a bit about Arvo Kustaa Halberg. As far as I can tell, he never lived in Finland or any of the Nordic countries. "Hall was born Arvo Kustaa Halberg in 1910 to Matt (Matti) and Susan (Susanna) Halberg in Cherry, a rural community on Northern Minnesota's Mesabi Iron Range" says Wikipedia. I see no evidence that he moved from Finland to the US, much less that the move was based on a lack of diversity, so I fail to understand your point.
      - ptaipale 14y ago
        Well, what I meant is that fundamentally, Swedes are - or at least have been - very homogeneous, when compared to Americans. Even where people have labeled themselves with various extreme political affiliations, their way of thinking has been not too different from each other. Some of my pronouncedly Atheist friends who have worked in Saudi Arabia have told about this. There, when you apply for visa/work permit, you have to state your religion in the application. There's no box to tick "Atheist" or "Agnostic". They ticked "Christian", and later said that this is where they realized how deeply they are products of Evangelic Protestant culture. Gus Hall of course was born in Minnesota - he couldn't have stood as a presidential candidate unless he were born in the U.S. But he inherited his political affiliations from his parents, who came from Grand Duchy of Finland, where they were indeed too diverse to be palatable those days.
PavlovsCat 14y ago
It's called World Factbook, not worldbook, "white vs. non-white" has nothing do with it as far as I'm concerned (skin color is related to sunlight, not culture), and last, but surely not least. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_the_United_States http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_the_United_State... "nearly 15% of Americans were foreign-born in 1910, while in 1999, only about 10% were foreign-born." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Sweden http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Sweden As of 2010 however, 1.33 million people or 14.3% of the inhabitants in Sweden were foreign-born. Of these, 859,000 (9.2%) were born outside the European Union and 477,000 (5.1%) were born in another EU member state. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Norway http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Norway At the beginning of 1992, immigrants and Norwegian-born to immigrant parents totalled 183,000 persons, or 4.3 per cent of Norway’s population. Twenty years later, at the beginning of 2012, these groups had risen to 655,000 persons or 13.1 per cent of the population. So, my bad; at least these two nordic countries are even MORE diverse than the US. Which is hilarious because I was totally gambling with my initial post, thanks for making me look for confirmation. Of course you might say the real problem is that many US-born citizens have dark skin, while many immigrants to nordic countries have white skin, but that's the point where I leave the discussion. At any rate, there are differences between the US and those countries, but immigration does not seem to be especially prominent. So no, that can't be it.
- youngerdryas 14y ago
  >"white vs. non-white" has nothing do with it Yes they have an amazing diversity of Nordic people.
  - PavlovsCat 14y ago
    That has nothing to do with anything I said, try to respond in context. However, they have an amazing diversity of people in Nordic countries, and there is also amazing diversity among "whites", as well as similarites to "non-whites".
    - youngerdryas 14y ago

speeder 14y ago

Cia Factbook on norway: Norwegians + Sami 94.4% Other europeans: 3.6% Sweden according to wikipedia (and CIA factbook) has most of the population being Swede + Sami Cia factbook on United States: 79.96% are white, but this include some hispanics. Brazil the most recent census (I will find the link to IBGE site later) is about 45% of the population being white. almost 50% being mixed race (usually between black and white) 5% black (and some below 1% minorities).

bjornsing 14y ago

As irrefutable proof I give you Fox News: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2qTdFX6thg&t=0m13s http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2qTdFX6thg&t=0m13s. ;) I live in Malmö and IMHO FN didn't quite live up to it's "fair and balanced" motto here. :) On a more serious note I'd say the nordic countries are much more homogeneous than the US, ethnically and politically.

dalke 14y ago
Politically? I moved to Göteborg a few years back. The day after I arrived was May Day. The Socialists, Marxists, Marxist-Leninists, Social Democrats, Leftists, and Red Front political parties each had their own march. Then of course the Christian Democrats, the Moderates, Center Party, and the Green Party are 5 of the 8 parties with representation in Parliament. (The Pirate Party has 2 people representing Sweden in the European Parliament.) In the US there's the two major parties, and Bernie Sanders as the only self-described socialist in Congress. In non-national offices there is a handful of Greens and Libertarians. When was the last time you saw people who were self-described as something other than Republican, Democrat, or independent as a regular commentator on a political discussion show in the US? That seems like a lack of political diversity in the US, compared to Sweden.
- ptaipale 14y ago
  parties each had their own march Sure, but they were all Protestant Social Democrats, nevertheless. I mean, they may call themselves Marxists or Sweden Democrats or Red Front or whatever, but still they'll fundamentally believe in a society where everything's lagom. But of course there's been political diversity in the Nordics; however e.g. the likes of Arvo Kustaa Halberg were a bit too politically diverse to live in Finland so moved to the U.S.
  - dalke 14y ago
    All Protestant Social Democrats? Here I thought only the Social Democrats were Social Democrats. I think you mean 'social democrats', meaning the belief and not membership in the party named 'Social Democrats.' To think that the Christian Democrats, which were founded out of the movement against removing religious education from elementary schools and is most strong with the evangelical Christians, has the same idea of "lagom" as the Left Party is like saying that the US parties are the same because they all support a free market. All Protestant? Given the number of atheists in Sweden, that's also unlikely. I looked up a bit about Arvo Kustaa Halberg. As far as I can tell, he never lived in Finland or any of the Nordic countries. "Hall was born Arvo Kustaa Halberg in 1910 to Matt (Matti) and Susan (Susanna) Halberg in Cherry, a rural community on Northern Minnesota's Mesabi Iron Range" says Wikipedia. I see no evidence that he moved from Finland to the US, much less that the move was based on a lack of diversity, so I fail to understand your point.
    - ptaipale 14y ago
      Well, what I meant is that fundamentally, Swedes are - or at least have been - very homogeneous, when compared to Americans. Even where people have labeled themselves with various extreme political affiliations, their way of thinking has been not too different from each other. Some of my pronouncedly Atheist friends who have worked in Saudi Arabia have told about this. There, when you apply for visa/work permit, you have to state your religion in the application. There's no box to tick "Atheist" or "Agnostic". They ticked "Christian", and later said that this is where they realized how deeply they are products of Evangelic Protestant culture. Gus Hall of course was born in Minnesota - he couldn't have stood as a presidential candidate unless he were born in the U.S. But he inherited his political affiliations from his parents, who came from Grand Duchy of Finland, where they were indeed too diverse to be palatable those days.

PavlovsCat 14y ago

It's called World Factbook, not worldbook, "white vs. non-white" has nothing do with it as far as I'm concerned (skin color is related to sunlight, not culture), and last, but surely not least. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_the_United_States http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_the_United_State... "nearly 15% of Americans were foreign-born in 1910, while in 1999, only about 10% were foreign-born." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Sweden http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Sweden As of 2010 however, 1.33 million people or 14.3% of the inhabitants in Sweden were foreign-born. Of these, 859,000 (9.2%) were born outside the European Union and 477,000 (5.1%) were born in another EU member state. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Norway http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Norway At the beginning of 1992, immigrants and Norwegian-born to immigrant parents totalled 183,000 persons, or 4.3 per cent of Norway’s population. Twenty years later, at the beginning of 2012, these groups had risen to 655,000 persons or 13.1 per cent of the population. So, my bad; at least these two nordic countries are even MORE diverse than the US. Which is hilarious because I was totally gambling with my initial post, thanks for making me look for confirmation. Of course you might say the real problem is that many US-born citizens have dark skin, while many immigrants to nordic countries have white skin, but that's the point where I leave the discussion. At any rate, there are differences between the US and those countries, but immigration does not seem to be especially prominent. So no, that can't be it.

youngerdryas 14y ago
>"white vs. non-white" has nothing do with it Yes they have an amazing diversity of Nordic people.
- PavlovsCat 14y ago
  That has nothing to do with anything I said, try to respond in context. However, they have an amazing diversity of people in Nordic countries, and there is also amazing diversity among "whites", as well as similarites to "non-whites".
  - youngerdryas 14y ago