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Besides the stocket market evaluations and all those considerations, I have to say that I am amazed how spoiled America is sometimes. How I wish we had such an

Besides the stocket market evaluations and all those considerations, I have to say that I am amazed how spoiled America is sometimes. How I wish we had such an entrepreneur in Europe, someone willing to shake the status quo and speed up the process of making the future happen. Tesla is a company that is trying to make AMERICAN electric cars, he should encouraged and cheered. People with some money and liberal views should be jumping on those cars, it's History in the making, a true revolution. I really hope he suceeds, that'd be an encouraging sign that science and technology can actually have a good impact on climate and consumer practices vis à vis greenhouse gases and the approach to modernity.

omonra 14y ago
But he is encouraged and cheered - the valuation of his company vs Ford is precisely the indication of it. Nothing says "I believe in this guy" like actually putting money down & buying the company stock.
monkeyfacebag 14y ago
> he should encouraged and cheered. Is that not happening already? From the article: "Tesla's current market value is 250 times higher than it would be if it were being valued as a car manufacturer rather than an idea whose time is about to come." Of course, we're also talking about a company that received a $465 million loan from US taxpayers so it's not like we're hanging him out to dry.
- VeejayRampay 14y ago
  You're right about that. I was actually addressing the general attitude of the American public as well as pundits' and car enthusiasts and writers with regard to Tesla and the immense promises it brings to the game. I don't know, I might just be naive about this but god, if Tesla were a French company created by an awesome entrepreneur from my homeland, I'd be over the moon and overlooking the little mistakes, the agitation over the tiny tremors of the stock market. Tesla Motors is bigger than "reports from the market", in my opinion it's a total game changer in a world that hasn't evolved much in the past 40/50 years (at least in terms of groundbreaking mutations in the core technology), the automobile industry and something that I am (obviously) really excited about. Tesla speaks VOLUMES in the rest of the world about America's capacity to still be #1 in terms of science, innovation, vision at the beginning of the 21st century, I just wish people were more enthusiastically backing the company at all times, this is something the USA should be proud of. Then again, the article addressing the financial/economical aspect of it all, which makes my comment off-topic and on the "that's cute" side :)
snogglethorpe 14y ago
> Tesla is a company that is trying to make AMERICAN electric cars, he should encouraged and cheered ... science and technology can actually have a good impact on climate and consumer practices vis à vis greenhouse gases and the approach to modernity. A vastly more effective approach would be to encourage and cheer those trying to wean America from its addiction to automobiles.... Elon does cool things, but it's not clear Tesla really represents a desirable future.
- lucian1900 14y ago
  Addiction to electric cars would not be harmful.
  - Pwnguinz 14y ago
    It certainly can be harmful. Urban sprawl. Time wasted via excruciatingly long commutes has now become the status quo in many parts of the States (certainly is around the Bay Area where I reside). Less harmful would be advancements in public rapid transit systems. Though there is the hyperloop which Elon hinted at in the past. Let's hope that works out :).
    - stcredzero 14y ago
      > Though there is the hyperloop which Elon hinted at in the past. Isn't he supposed to publish about that soon?
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      - damoncali 14y ago
        He said he'd publish it at the end of last year. Don't hold your breath.
    - chris_mahan 14y ago
      Decentralization is good.
whyenot 14y ago
he should encouraged and cheered All of Musk's recent ventures (Tesla, SpaceX and even SolarCity) have been heavily subsidized by government (federal, state and local). It certainly seems like there has been a lot of cheering and a lot of positive thinking. Siemens is even running a TV add where they celebrate SpaceX's success. I hope he succeeds, but when it comes to investing money, I don't want to make decisions based on hope.

omonra 14y ago

But he is encouraged and cheered - the valuation of his company vs Ford is precisely the indication of it. Nothing says "I believe in this guy" like actually putting money down & buying the company stock.

monkeyfacebag 14y ago

> he should encouraged and cheered. Is that not happening already? From the article: "Tesla's current market value is 250 times higher than it would be if it were being valued as a car manufacturer rather than an idea whose time is about to come." Of course, we're also talking about a company that received a $465 million loan from US taxpayers so it's not like we're hanging him out to dry.

VeejayRampay 14y ago
You're right about that. I was actually addressing the general attitude of the American public as well as pundits' and car enthusiasts and writers with regard to Tesla and the immense promises it brings to the game. I don't know, I might just be naive about this but god, if Tesla were a French company created by an awesome entrepreneur from my homeland, I'd be over the moon and overlooking the little mistakes, the agitation over the tiny tremors of the stock market. Tesla Motors is bigger than "reports from the market", in my opinion it's a total game changer in a world that hasn't evolved much in the past 40/50 years (at least in terms of groundbreaking mutations in the core technology), the automobile industry and something that I am (obviously) really excited about. Tesla speaks VOLUMES in the rest of the world about America's capacity to still be #1 in terms of science, innovation, vision at the beginning of the 21st century, I just wish people were more enthusiastically backing the company at all times, this is something the USA should be proud of. Then again, the article addressing the financial/economical aspect of it all, which makes my comment off-topic and on the "that's cute" side :)

snogglethorpe 14y ago

> Tesla is a company that is trying to make AMERICAN electric cars, he should encouraged and cheered ... science and technology can actually have a good impact on climate and consumer practices vis à vis greenhouse gases and the approach to modernity. A vastly more effective approach would be to encourage and cheer those trying to wean America from its addiction to automobiles.... Elon does cool things, but it's not clear Tesla really represents a desirable future.

lucian1900 14y ago
Addiction to electric cars would not be harmful.
- Pwnguinz 14y ago
  It certainly can be harmful. Urban sprawl. Time wasted via excruciatingly long commutes has now become the status quo in many parts of the States (certainly is around the Bay Area where I reside). Less harmful would be advancements in public rapid transit systems. Though there is the hyperloop which Elon hinted at in the past. Let's hope that works out :).
  - stcredzero 14y ago
    > Though there is the hyperloop which Elon hinted at in the past. Isn't he supposed to publish about that soon?
    - deleted 14y ago
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    - damoncali 14y ago
      He said he'd publish it at the end of last year. Don't hold your breath.
  - chris_mahan 14y ago
    Decentralization is good.

whyenot 14y ago

he should encouraged and cheered All of Musk's recent ventures (Tesla, SpaceX and even SolarCity) have been heavily subsidized by government (federal, state and local). It certainly seems like there has been a lot of cheering and a lot of positive thinking. Siemens is even running a TV add where they celebrate SpaceX's success. I hope he succeeds, but when it comes to investing money, I don't want to make decisions based on hope.