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I don't see integrity as something specific to being a journalist. It's something specific to being a good one. Just like it's specific to being a good...anyt

I don't see integrity as something specific to being a journalist. It's something specific to being a good one. Just like it's specific to being a good...anything. She could well be a terrible journalist. I disagree from what I've seen, but you've seen otherwise. Cool. But saying she's not a journalist doesn't make sense to me. She's paid to be a journalist by Businessweek. Therefore, she's a journalist, in my book.

ojbyrne 18y ago
One thing I learned while working at a newspaper is that the business section is a ghetto. It's the last cash cow they have left, basically thinly disguised display advertising. Business Week is like that from cover to cover.
- brandnewlow 18y ago
  You worked at one newspaper...and learned that ALL business sections are ghettos, pumping out thinly veiled display advertising? one != all It'd be fair to say that you worked at one place with a lousy business section, making you suspicious of business journalism. It'd be fair to say you worked at one place with a lousy business section, making you think there are others out there like it, but to crap on ALL of them based on your experience at one? I'm not expecting this to go anywhere. You've made your mind up on this. I'm just trying to point out that the reasoning here doesn't clock.
  - ojbyrne 18y ago
    Along with the one newspaper, I've got 2 business degrees where I got to hear about the manipulation from the other side. Then there's the digg experience, where Jay and Kevin could fabricate whatever the hell they wanted to, and it would be printed verbatim in many, many blogs, magazines, newspapers, whatever. I can give you many examples. Or you could actually search for articles - there's plenty out there - about how business magazines and business sections of newspapers out there that suppress info because it displeases advertisers. That's not to say there isn't good biz journalism out there - just as a random example, for every 100 breathless, admiring article about Enron back in the day, there was one journalist who actually tracked down the truth.

ojbyrne 18y ago

One thing I learned while working at a newspaper is that the business section is a ghetto. It's the last cash cow they have left, basically thinly disguised display advertising. Business Week is like that from cover to cover.

brandnewlow 18y ago
You worked at one newspaper...and learned that ALL business sections are ghettos, pumping out thinly veiled display advertising? one != all It'd be fair to say that you worked at one place with a lousy business section, making you suspicious of business journalism. It'd be fair to say you worked at one place with a lousy business section, making you think there are others out there like it, but to crap on ALL of them based on your experience at one? I'm not expecting this to go anywhere. You've made your mind up on this. I'm just trying to point out that the reasoning here doesn't clock.
- ojbyrne 18y ago
  Along with the one newspaper, I've got 2 business degrees where I got to hear about the manipulation from the other side. Then there's the digg experience, where Jay and Kevin could fabricate whatever the hell they wanted to, and it would be printed verbatim in many, many blogs, magazines, newspapers, whatever. I can give you many examples. Or you could actually search for articles - there's plenty out there - about how business magazines and business sections of newspapers out there that suppress info because it displeases advertisers. That's not to say there isn't good biz journalism out there - just as a random example, for every 100 breathless, admiring article about Enron back in the day, there was one journalist who actually tracked down the truth.