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1) Win + I 2) Click on shutdown button. Alternative: Press power button on device. I don't like the UI formerly known as Metro, but Windows 8 isn't thaaat ba

1) Win + I 2) Click on shutdown button. Alternative: Press power button on device. I don't like the UI formerly known as Metro, but Windows 8 isn't thaaat bad and this bashing quickly got old.

mattmanser 14y ago
I've only had the opportunity to use the new UI on server 2012 for the last few months. Remoting in highlights the problems almost immediately. In some ways it's great. In other ways it's not just bad, it's really terrible. It deserves every bit of bashing it gets. There have been so many regressions in the desktop UX it's incredibly frustrating.
laumars 14y ago
> I don't like the UI formerly known as Metro, but Windows 8 isn't thaaat bad and this bashing quickly got old. It's easily the worst GUI shell on any popular OS. It's counter intuitive (very little of the OS is guessable), jarring between Metro and the classic desktop, and so poorly thought out that even IT professionals struggle to use it. Given the excellent research facilities Microsoft have, their near-bottomless money pit and their massive market share for desktop / laptop installs, releasing such a substandard product is completely inexcusable. So honestly, the apologists trying to forgive Microsoft quickly gets old.
- darklajid 14y ago
  "Inexcusable"? "Apologists"? "Forgive"? Did you pick those words with consideration? Obviously you seem to target me (as part of a group you don't agree with) here. Those words make no sense in this context? I'm a Linux guy at home/at night, but work as a C# developer in a "We love Microsoft" (tm) company where everything MS is hyped. I'm not part of that though.. Windows 8 (or 2012) works for me _exactly_ as Windows 7 did (Windows 7 workflow for launching stuff? Hit 'Windows' key, start typing. Windows 8 workflow for launching stuff? Hit 'Windows' key (or Win+W or Win+F), start typing. I certainly hate some of the design decisions, all of them related to Metro-only applications. Typing 'optional' (leading to 'Install optional updates', the ~sane~ version of Windows Update) annoys me. There are quite some cases like that, but really: That's minor. The start menu was useless on every machine I've ever seen. It got cluttered quickly with a mixture of documents, programs, shortcuts to websites or crazy 'uninstall' tools, became a messy hierarchy after 15min of using a machine and don't get me started on the sorting or auto-hiding features previous versions of Windows 'improved' the situation with. Worse, the _very specific_ complaint about ways to shut down the machine makes no sense at all (see my previous post. The change is that you have to add a 'i' key to the first press of the Windows button - yeah and the button to power down the machine is now on the right side of the screen). I don't claim that Windows 8 is perfect or anything close to that, but it is not that bad. People just like to complain. A lot. KDE 4 is crap. Gnome 3 is crap. Unity is stupidity cast into UX. Ah - and OS X removes really, really vital things on every release, it seems. Right.. What I'm asking for is some perspective and some nuanced criticism. That isn't happening so far and your 'easily the worst GUI shell' is exactly that broad stroke that I consider flat out wrong. We can argue about details, specific issues, but the way you state it you're just appearing as angry and ranting. Using superlatives and general criticism serves no point. On a slightly related side note: I have the feeling that IT professionals are the worst crowd to handle changes, actually. Where a user might accept a change and honestly give it a try, a more experienced so-called power-user might feel offended much more easily in my opinion.

1) Win + I 2) Click on shutdown button. Alternative: Press power button on device. I don't like the UI formerly known as Metro, but Windows 8 isn't thaaat bad and this bashing quickly got old.

mattmanser 14y ago

I've only had the opportunity to use the new UI on server 2012 for the last few months. Remoting in highlights the problems almost immediately. In some ways it's great. In other ways it's not just bad, it's really terrible. It deserves every bit of bashing it gets. There have been so many regressions in the desktop UX it's incredibly frustrating.

laumars 14y ago

> I don't like the UI formerly known as Metro, but Windows 8 isn't thaaat bad and this bashing quickly got old. It's easily the worst GUI shell on any popular OS. It's counter intuitive (very little of the OS is guessable), jarring between Metro and the classic desktop, and so poorly thought out that even IT professionals struggle to use it. Given the excellent research facilities Microsoft have, their near-bottomless money pit and their massive market share for desktop / laptop installs, releasing such a substandard product is completely inexcusable. So honestly, the apologists trying to forgive Microsoft quickly gets old.

darklajid 14y ago
"Inexcusable"? "Apologists"? "Forgive"? Did you pick those words with consideration? Obviously you seem to target me (as part of a group you don't agree with) here. Those words make no sense in this context? I'm a Linux guy at home/at night, but work as a C# developer in a "We love Microsoft" (tm) company where everything MS is hyped. I'm not part of that though.. Windows 8 (or 2012) works for me _exactly_ as Windows 7 did (Windows 7 workflow for launching stuff? Hit 'Windows' key, start typing. Windows 8 workflow for launching stuff? Hit 'Windows' key (or Win+W or Win+F), start typing. I certainly hate some of the design decisions, all of them related to Metro-only applications. Typing 'optional' (leading to 'Install optional updates', the ~sane~ version of Windows Update) annoys me. There are quite some cases like that, but really: That's minor. The start menu was useless on every machine I've ever seen. It got cluttered quickly with a mixture of documents, programs, shortcuts to websites or crazy 'uninstall' tools, became a messy hierarchy after 15min of using a machine and don't get me started on the sorting or auto-hiding features previous versions of Windows 'improved' the situation with. Worse, the _very specific_ complaint about ways to shut down the machine makes no sense at all (see my previous post. The change is that you have to add a 'i' key to the first press of the Windows button - yeah and the button to power down the machine is now on the right side of the screen). I don't claim that Windows 8 is perfect or anything close to that, but it is not that bad. People just like to complain. A lot. KDE 4 is crap. Gnome 3 is crap. Unity is stupidity cast into UX. Ah - and OS X removes really, really vital things on every release, it seems. Right.. What I'm asking for is some perspective and some nuanced criticism. That isn't happening so far and your 'easily the worst GUI shell' is exactly that broad stroke that I consider flat out wrong. We can argue about details, specific issues, but the way you state it you're just appearing as angry and ranting. Using superlatives and general criticism serves no point. On a slightly related side note: I have the feeling that IT professionals are the worst crowd to handle changes, actually. Where a user might accept a change and honestly give it a try, a more experienced so-called power-user might feel offended much more easily in my opinion.