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I agree with everything you said, just not that it will happen within the timespan of this console generation.

by MatthewPhillips 14y ago

drewcrawford 14y ago
I don't understand what you are saying. According to Apple's 2012 10K filing, both the iPhone and iPad lines independently, each year, net more than Sony's entire market cap. How can there be any question of mobile game hardware surpassing hardcore gaming in profitability in the next console generation when it has already occurred? If you're Activision or Blizzard, sure, the money is still in selling $60 titles. But in terms of hardware manufacturers like Sony and Microsoft, the ship has sailed.
- MatthewPhillips 14y ago
  It hasn't sailed. People are still buying those games; in fact those games are still breaking sales records. Casual games may become more popular, I don't know, but it's not zero-sum when the gaming market is growing overall.
  - drewcrawford 14y ago
    > the gaming market is growing overall. False: http://business.time.com/2013/02/11/game-over-why-video-game-console-sales-are-plummeting/ http://business.time.com/2013/02/11/game-over-why-video-game...
- chc 14y ago
  You're comparing an insanely popular mobile phone and a general-purpose computing platform to an Xbox. While they are both mobile devices and both can play games, neither is really mobile gaming hardware per se. I mean, you're obviously not wrong that making the iPhone is good business, but iPhone owners are not primarily gamers -- not even casual ones -- so counting every iPhone sold as a "game hardware" sale at this point is pretty misleading. Most importantly to the point at hand, there is no evidence that iPhone is stealing many sales from Xbox and PS3, nor that it will start in the foreseeable future. I very, very much doubt that many people find themselves wondering whether to get an iPhone or an Xbox to play games on.

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I agree with everything you said, just not that it will happen within the timespan of this console generation.

by MatthewPhillips 14y ago

I agree with everything you said, just not that it will happen within the timespan of this console generation.

drewcrawford 14y ago
I don't understand what you are saying. According to Apple's 2012 10K filing, both the iPhone and iPad lines independently, each year, net more than Sony's entire market cap. How can there be any question of mobile game hardware surpassing hardcore gaming in profitability in the next console generation when it has already occurred? If you're Activision or Blizzard, sure, the money is still in selling $60 titles. But in terms of hardware manufacturers like Sony and Microsoft, the ship has sailed.
- MatthewPhillips 14y ago
  It hasn't sailed. People are still buying those games; in fact those games are still breaking sales records. Casual games may become more popular, I don't know, but it's not zero-sum when the gaming market is growing overall.
  - drewcrawford 14y ago
    > the gaming market is growing overall. False: http://business.time.com/2013/02/11/game-over-why-video-game-console-sales-are-plummeting/ http://business.time.com/2013/02/11/game-over-why-video-game...
- chc 14y ago
  You're comparing an insanely popular mobile phone and a general-purpose computing platform to an Xbox. While they are both mobile devices and both can play games, neither is really mobile gaming hardware per se. I mean, you're obviously not wrong that making the iPhone is good business, but iPhone owners are not primarily gamers -- not even casual ones -- so counting every iPhone sold as a "game hardware" sale at this point is pretty misleading. Most importantly to the point at hand, there is no evidence that iPhone is stealing many sales from Xbox and PS3, nor that it will start in the foreseeable future. I very, very much doubt that many people find themselves wondering whether to get an iPhone or an Xbox to play games on.