I am not talking on behalf of Samsung, I'm simply talking against Apple. I own HTC Android phones, they've had a multitude of features well-before Apple debuted

I am not talking on behalf of Samsung, I'm simply talking against Apple. I own HTC Android phones, they've had a multitude of features well-before Apple debuted their 'magically life-changing revolutionary' iOS 6. As for Samsung, without Google's help, I think there is a reason why they're #1 on the international display market. Do you know how many companies use Samsung's displays? Even my Sony Vaio and my Sony bravia use their displays under the hood. The display segment is where one simply cannot sustain without innovating. Samsung's leadership in displays are evidence that they can innovate alone, which is the answer to the question you've asked me. I bet the display with which you're reading HN now, uses Samsung's technology in some form or the other - That's the depth of their remarkable engineering and innovation. Can you say the same for Apple? They're just re-packagers. Someone else manufactures something for them and then they just add their logo and increase the prices by 4x, which you purchase and don't want to feel bad for, by labeling rational arguments as trolls on a public forum. Instead of blatantly labeling me as a troll, I'd love to see you provide evidence in support of Apple's 'innovation'. Don't talk about profits, just pure innovation. You'd be surprised how little you have to talk in favor of (Apple), when it comes to innovation.