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I don't think it misrepresents it too much. It's a pretty 'squirmy' retraction. Basically they are saying what Broder wrote was incorrect, and showed poor jud

by Volpe 14y ago

I don't think it misrepresents it too much. It's a pretty 'squirmy' retraction. Basically they are saying what Broder wrote was incorrect, and showed poor judgement, but without faulting Broder in any way. (As ridiculous as that sounds)

donohoe 14y ago
Lets be very clear - it is not a retraction. Public Editor is not part if the newsroom. It is a role outside if it and she does not have any authority other than to post to her blog. If there is a retraction it will be clearly posted on the original article.
makomk 14y ago
Imagine, for a moment, that Broder had a more detailed record of his drive and had used it to make the article 100% truthful and accurate. Would it have been any more flattering to Tesla or to the Model S?
- stcredzero 14y ago
  No, but it would have made him look like an idiot and made the article confusing and useless. If he had been doing his job properly, there would have been a do-over.
- waterlesscloud 14y ago
  I don't know, but it would have removed my objections to Broder's work. I do want journalists to produce 100% truthful and accurate work. Especially in a case where it is so very easy to actually be factual.
  - eli 14y ago
    Fair enough, but there's a huge gap between "ideologically-motivated, intentionally dishonest smear campaign" and "essentially accurate review that was a little sloppy on some details"
- MartinCron 14y ago
  This whole thing seems like pointless hair splitting between the Model S being very bad for road trips or only moderately bad for road trips. In either case, take the train or rent a car. The car seems perfect for day to day driving.
  - whatusername 14y ago
    IF you don't charge it fully (or charge it over-night) I live in Australia and go bush/camping a fair bit. I'm not getting a Tesla for raodtrips any time soon. But If I was to drive MEL->SYD in it -- I'd be recharging in full at each super-charger along the way (assuming they existed)
    - kybernetikos 14y ago
      I might have got the wrong end of the stick here, but I think he did. He wanted to test the super charger network, and then found after leaving the car in the cold overnight that although it had originally said he had the range to make it to the next supercharger, it now said that he didn't. Because of that he compromised and tried to top up with juice from a normal charger. That was the charger he didn't fill up completely from, where he did an unplanned and unexpected charge for approximately an hour (or approximately three quarters of an hour if you believe Tesla). Either way, he hadn't wanted to charge there in the first place, was keen to be moving again and believes that Tesla staff gave him the OK, telling him that the missing miles would come back once the car was going again.
      - whatusername 14y ago
        From Tesla's original post: "For his first recharge, he charged the car to 90%. During the second Supercharge, despite almost running out of energy on the prior leg, he deliberately stopped charging at 72%." And the graph of battery levels shows what level he recharged to. http://www.teslamotors.com/blog/most-peculiar-test-drive http://www.teslamotors.com/blog/most-peculiar-test-drive If he had charged to 100% for that last Supercharge - I wonder if the result would have been different.
- bjornsing 14y ago
  I don't think that should be the standard. Broder talks about a "normal" driver not wanting to wait for hours in a diner while the car recharges. But what really characterizes most "normal" drivers I would say is that they will not pull out of a refueling station when the meter is clearly showing they will not make it to the next. If Broder had behaved more responsibly/reasonably his article would have been about how he had to sit in a diner, waiting for the car to recharge, because he forgot to plug it in over night. I don't think Elon would have gone ballistic over that article.

by Volpe 14y ago

donohoe 14y ago

Lets be very clear - it is not a retraction. Public Editor is not part if the newsroom. It is a role outside if it and she does not have any authority other than to post to her blog. If there is a retraction it will be clearly posted on the original article.

makomk 14y ago

Imagine, for a moment, that Broder had a more detailed record of his drive and had used it to make the article 100% truthful and accurate. Would it have been any more flattering to Tesla or to the Model S?

stcredzero 14y ago
No, but it would have made him look like an idiot and made the article confusing and useless. If he had been doing his job properly, there would have been a do-over.
waterlesscloud 14y ago
I don't know, but it would have removed my objections to Broder's work. I do want journalists to produce 100% truthful and accurate work. Especially in a case where it is so very easy to actually be factual.
- eli 14y ago
  Fair enough, but there's a huge gap between "ideologically-motivated, intentionally dishonest smear campaign" and "essentially accurate review that was a little sloppy on some details"
MartinCron 14y ago
This whole thing seems like pointless hair splitting between the Model S being very bad for road trips or only moderately bad for road trips. In either case, take the train or rent a car. The car seems perfect for day to day driving.
- whatusername 14y ago
  IF you don't charge it fully (or charge it over-night) I live in Australia and go bush/camping a fair bit. I'm not getting a Tesla for raodtrips any time soon. But If I was to drive MEL->SYD in it -- I'd be recharging in full at each super-charger along the way (assuming they existed)
  - kybernetikos 14y ago
    I might have got the wrong end of the stick here, but I think he did. He wanted to test the super charger network, and then found after leaving the car in the cold overnight that although it had originally said he had the range to make it to the next supercharger, it now said that he didn't. Because of that he compromised and tried to top up with juice from a normal charger. That was the charger he didn't fill up completely from, where he did an unplanned and unexpected charge for approximately an hour (or approximately three quarters of an hour if you believe Tesla). Either way, he hadn't wanted to charge there in the first place, was keen to be moving again and believes that Tesla staff gave him the OK, telling him that the missing miles would come back once the car was going again.
    - whatusername 14y ago
      From Tesla's original post: "For his first recharge, he charged the car to 90%. During the second Supercharge, despite almost running out of energy on the prior leg, he deliberately stopped charging at 72%." And the graph of battery levels shows what level he recharged to. http://www.teslamotors.com/blog/most-peculiar-test-drive http://www.teslamotors.com/blog/most-peculiar-test-drive If he had charged to 100% for that last Supercharge - I wonder if the result would have been different.
bjornsing 14y ago
I don't think that should be the standard. Broder talks about a "normal" driver not wanting to wait for hours in a diner while the car recharges. But what really characterizes most "normal" drivers I would say is that they will not pull out of a refueling station when the meter is clearly showing they will not make it to the next. If Broder had behaved more responsibly/reasonably his article would have been about how he had to sit in a diner, waiting for the car to recharge, because he forgot to plug it in over night. I don't think Elon would have gone ballistic over that article.